Lockerbie guy - when is he going to kick the bucket?

[MobBoss]

ROFL I guess you guys know what I mean better than I do! I was right -there's no point in "discussing" anything with you, MobBoss, because you'll just read whatever you want into what I say.

I never once said he had days to live, I never once believed he had days to live -- I never even gave an opinion on how long he had to live. If you noticed, I haven't voted in the poll, because I'm not a doctor, I'm not an oncologist, I've never even seen the guy. I am in no position to judge how long he has to live, and that is why I accepted the professional medical opinion of the doctors who examined him.

But of course, that just means I believe he has days to live Man, you guys are hilarious. You can't win an argument against what I actually say, and instead have to invent things and claim I said things I didn't. Pathetic.

EDIT: Just saw that it's not a public poll. If you don't believe me, see spoiler:

Spoiler :

But I suppose you'll just see me as having voted for "he has days to live" anyway, so why bother with the facts

Again Mise, here is the post that led to my and others opinion of your stance in this thread:

Not long.

You post a pic like that...with him in the hospital....with an oxygen mask.....and you seem to have a problem because people took this as insinuating he had days to live?

Really?

I think your 'not long' description could have indeed indicated days to live. Its certainly open to that interpretation since you were NOT precise in your comment, and also portraying him as very sick in a hospital bed.

And you want to rip me for thinking that insinutated 'days to live'?

I even asked you for a clarification of what you saw in that pic. Your answer.....again....was quite ambiguous and left up to interpretation.

Even Civ King said in reference to the pic: "that he appears to be dying as we speak!"

That sounds like days to me.

And your own reply to my question was:

I can tell a lot more from that picture than from your ridiculous tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. You can see for yourself what's in the picture, you don't need me to do all the work for you.

So, here you tell ME to intrepret it for myself! And now your mad when I do that?

/whatever. And I retract my apology. It seems you didnt have the grace to accept it well.

 

[Karalysia]

Why would that be funny? Secondly, arent you an athiest? What would that do to your athiest belief?

Because it would be awesome. Yes. Nothing.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Its not really a hard concept to be honest.

Actually, that isn't what you posted:

Now, Mobby, you wouldn't be so stupid as to believe a conviction is a decent arbiter of guilt?

Would you be so stupid as to assume its not?

There is quite obviously a lot of doubt about his actual guilt.

So yes, I guess for some people, it is indeed a "hard concept" for them to accept the notion that he may very well be innocent. That the US government may very well have bribed people to testify against him. Take Fox News, for example.

 

[MobBoss]

There is quite obviously a lot of doubt about his actual guilt.

Again, I will simply point out that this has indeed been appealed once, and was being appealed again, but it was dropped. If there is indeed a l'ot of doubt' about his guilt shouldnt he have won on appeal?

So yes, I guess for some people, it is indeed a "hard concept" for them to accept the notion that he may very well be innocent.

You're right. I dont go around thinking every person convicted of a crime was done so in error. Apparently some people do.

 

[Mise]

Again Mise, here is the post that led to my and others opinion of your stance in this thread:



You post a pic like that...with him in the hospital....with an oxygen mask.....and you seem to have a problem because people took this as insinuating he had days to live?

Really?

I think your 'not long' description could have indeed indicated days to live. Its certainly open to that interpretation since you were NOT precise in your comment, and also portraying him as very sick in a hospital bed.

And you want to rip me for thinking that insinutated 'days to live'?

I even asked you for a clarification of what you saw in that pic. Your answer.....again....was quite ambiguous and left up to interpretation.

Even Civ King said in reference to the pic: "that he appears to be dying as we speak!"

That sounds like days to me.

And your own reply to my question was:



So, here you tell ME to intrepret it for myself! And now your mad when I do that?

/whatever. And I retract my apology. It seems you didnt have the grace to accept it well.

I have said repeatedly that I accepted the professional medical opinion of the doctors that examined him, who gave him 3 months to live. I have never, ever said that he had days to live, and I never, ever believed that. Again, if you wish to simply invent fictitious statements that I never made, and then accuse me of being "wrong" on the basis of those made up statements, well, there's no reason to take you seriously at all.

 

[GinandTonic]

Mobby, he never said it.

Indisputable fact.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Moderator Action: Please drop the discussion of what Mise said about him, everyone - it is irrelevant to the issue.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You're right. I dont go around thinking every person convicted of a crime was done so in error.

And, quite obviously, neither do I. Nor does anybody else. Engage in hyperbole much?

The problem is that you apparently think it occurs so rarely that it is almost outside the realm of any possibility, even in this cases where the US government may very well have paid people to lie about it. They certainly had every reason to do so, since they were convinced it must have been done by Libya as a reaction to the US nearly assassinating Gadaffi in 1986.

 

[MobBoss]

Mobby, he never said it.

Indisputable fact.

What do you think 'insinuated' means exactly?

And, quite obviously, neither do I. Nor does anybody else. Engage in hyperbole much?

The problem is that you apparently think it occurs so rarely that it is almost outside the realm of any possibility, even in this cases where the US government may very well have paid people to lie about it. They certainly had every reason to do so, since they were convinced it must have been done by Libya as a reaction to the US nearly assassinating Gadaffi in 1986.

I do think it only occurs rarely given as a percentage of the total cases tried. And if it were so easy to indicate what you allege in this case then the guy would have won on appeal easily or at least allowed to parole out (he was denied parole as well prior to being let out by MacAskill). However, we both know thats simply not the case.

 

[Formaldehyde]

What we both know is "simply not the case" is such an overly simplistic dismissal of the contrary facts in this case.

It will be interesting to see the latest revelations due out any time now about this case, especially now the the GWB administration is no longer around to lean on Scotland to keep it all secret anymore.

Details of a controversial miscarriage of justice probe into the Lockerbie bombing are to be made public for the first time next year.

The Scottish Criminal Case Review Commission (SCCRC) was granted leave by the Scottish government yesterday to publish information from the investigation, on the 21st anniversary of the atrocity.

The commission announced that Scottish ministers had made an order which comes into effect on February 10 entitling it to disclose "to any members of the public" information obtained during its investigations.

The SCCRC concluded in 2007 that a miscarriage of justice may have occurred in the case.

The only man convicted of the atrocity, Abdelbaset ali Mohmed al Megrahi, was released on compassionate grounds earlier this year as he was suffering with terminal cancer and had only months to live.

Campaigners and a number of relatives of those who died have long held that Megrahi was a political scapegoat and have demanded hundreds of pages from the report into the investigation be released.

Scottish Justice Minister Kenny McAskill, making the announcement, said: "The Scottish government has always been clear that as much information as possible in this case is published where relevant and where appropriate, consents are given.

"The order laid today allows the SCCRC to disclose information it holds and it is now for them to decide what, if anything, they release."

Meanwhile it was also reported on Monday that Mr Megrahi's condition has severely worsened.

Dr Jim Swire, the father of one of the British victims, said he understood Mr Megrahi may have a "few weeks" left to live.

A report issued by the Tripoli Medical Centre on Monday is said to have detailed his ailing health.

Dr Swire, who lost his daughter Flora in the bombing, said: "I've been talking to people who know about his medical condition and the message I get is he's likely to only have a few weeks left.

"I think it's another occasion where we should be grateful for Kenny MacAskill's bold decision to allow him to go home."

Another Lockerbie relative, Pamela Dix, said Megrahi's worsening condition added to the continuing ordeal.

When the real facts are finally released, I think there is going to be a lot of apologist action occurring at Fox News and elsewhere.

 

[MobBoss]

Again, unless it results in his conviction being overturned, it means nothing.

And if your really the paranoid type, you could also simply believe this report created from whole cloth to cover his release and excuse it.

I mean there was more than a bit of evidence reported that this was done to appease Libya and get some favorable deals with them wasnt there?

 

[nonconformist]

It would appear that Allah is much more merciful and miraculous than Jehova
based on the fact that this man is making a full recovery
and so many Christians die of the disease.

Mabe time to get a new God, Mobby?

 

[Formaldehyde]

I mean there was more than a bit of evidence reported that this was done to appease Libya and get some favorable deals with them wasnt there?

Evidence? You mean the all-too-typical uncorroborated rantings on Fox News?


Link to video.

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/26019816/shame-on-scotland.htm

I love their on-screen claim of "growing outrage over release of Pan Am FL 103 bomber" as they fuel it with their "fair and balanced" reporting!

Another example of their "fair and balanced" reporting on this complete lack of "evidence", as presented by the worst ambassador the US has ever sent to the UN:

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/25994091/hero-s-welcome-for-killer.htm

At least Bolton admits there is no "evidence".

 

[MobBoss]

Actually, the story and others like it were carried on much more than just Foxnews. But if you prefer Foxnews as a source who am I to argue?

 

[MobBoss]

Well, just thought of this again and decided to check to see if he had kicked the bucket yet.

Nope. Still quite alive. I guess that whole '3 months to live' thing was more than a bit off....

And it also looks like the overwhelming poll choice of 'immortal' might be coming true as well.

Amazing.

 

[Karalysia]

I will laugh at all of you when he ascends to an Occulation like state and becomes immortal like Mahdi.

Worship your new Master.

 

[El_Machinae]

Allah is sure whuping science.

 

[MobBoss]

Allah is sure whuping science.

Thats assuming 'science' had anything really to do with the decision to release him in the first place.

 

[nonconformist]

Uh....the guidelines never specifically state "three months" mucka, they just give it as a guideline. It's a discretionary deciksion (over which England has no decision fyi)

Ach, and if one's keeping track, one must really be quite sad

 

[MobBoss]

Uh....the guidelines never specifically state "three months" mucka, they just give it as a guideline. It's a discretionary deciksion (over which England has no decision fyi)

Ach, and if one's keeping track, one must really be quite sad

The presumption for being released was that he was about to die. If he doesnt die for years and years then the people who released him are idiots.