Lockerbie guy - when is he going to kick the bucket?

[MobBoss]

Is he a danger to the public?

Can you confirm he isnt? That he wont share information on how to perform a similar act in the future? Or something equally dangerous?

 

[MobBoss]

Nah, he was found legally guilty...but as a paralegal you didnt know that, ya?

Unless that verdict is overturned or set aside, legally = factually.

 

[GinandTonic]

Can you confirm he isnt? That he wont share information on how to perform a similar act in the future? Or something equally dangerous?

Please.

If he was guilty he was a grunt spook for the Libyans. If he was innocent he was a grunt spook for the Libyans. Under no interpretation does he hold any information of any unique interest to the Libyan secret service. Innocent or guilty this guy was a pawn.

 

[MobBoss]

Please.

If he was guilty he was a grunt spook for the Libyans.

What do you mean 'if'?

He was found guilty. And will remain so in the history books.

If he was innocent he was a grunt spook for the Libyans. Under no interpretation does he hold any information of any unique interest to the Libyan secret service.

I think thats your assumption. Do you presume to be an expert on the case? Privy to inside information in regards to it?

 

[GinandTonic]

Meh, we let the IRA killers go free after the US winged. This punter has a far better case.

 

[Formaldehyde]

So the Americans who were so to the fore in calling for the humanitarian release of the IRA bombers that Americans had funded are having a hissy fit when it works all ways on?

Bless.

Link to video.

 

[Disgustipated]

this guy is still alive? I thought he would be dead months ago.

I don't care that much, deterrence never really seems to work for terrorists.

Nevertheless, I'm glad its not my country that released him.

 

[Camikaze]

Can you confirm he isnt? That he wont share information on how to perform a similar act in the future? Or something equally dangerous?

Well I'll tell you what. When he does do something dangerous to the public, I'll gladly tell you that you were right.

I assume you'll tell me I was right when he dies without doing something dangerous to the public?

 

[nonconformist]

Unless that verdict is overturned or set aside, legally = factually.

What?

No seriously, what?

In a common law system factualy and legally are two very different things, and the powers are seperated. It's why we have both juries and judges; the former is the trier of fact, the latter of law.

So no, thw two are not the same.

How the bloody hell did you actually get a career in whatever the hell it is you do without knowing that? It's the first lesson of law school.

 

[MobBoss]

Well I'll tell you what. When he does do something dangerous to the public, I'll gladly tell you that you were right.

I assume you'll tell me I was right when he dies without doing something dangerous to the public?

Thats assuming we ever hear of it with him being in Libya and all.

How the bloody hell did you actually get a career in whatever the hell it is you do without knowing that? It's the first lesson of law school.

Well for starters, I am giving my opinion that when a court finds someone guilty beyond a reasonable doubt then that court has found them both legally and factually guilty, unless it is proven otherwise on appeal. I fully realize there is an error rate in everything, however, that has not been proven in this case - and will not be proven has the man has been released based upon a false premise - that he was going to die in roughly three months.

Btw, if you knew anything about my career at all you would realize that paralegals dont go to law school. Thats where lawyers go to get their law degree. So try to be a tad bit less insulting and maybe we can actually discuss the topic.

 

[MobBoss]

Not long.

I can tell a lot more from that picture than from your ridiculous tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. You can see for yourself what's in the picture, you don't need me to do all the work for you.

In consideration of our latest update, this picture now looks to me like he is getting the best in cancer treatment that might keep him alive 5 or more years to come!!

 

[Zulu Impi]

this guy is still alive? I thought he would be dead months ago.

Paul McCartney is pretty much ageless. On the Lockerbie guy I think its hilarious that he duped the British government so badly, though it wasn't a good idea to let him go at all.

 

[GinandTonic]

This had nothing to do with the British government

 

[BCLG100]

Paul McCartney is pretty much ageless. On the Lockerbie guy I think its hilarious that he duped the British government so badly, though it wasn't a good idea to let him go at all.

This had nothing to do with the British government

Indeed, simply the Scottish legal system.

Well for starters, I am giving my opinion that when a court finds someone guilty beyond a reasonable doubt then that court has found them both legally and factually guilty, unless it is proven otherwise on appeal. I fully realize there is an error rate in everything, however, that has not been proven in this case - and will not be proven has the man has been released based upon a false premise - that he was going to die in roughly three months.

Btw, if you knew anything about my career at all you would realize that paralegals dont go to law school. Thats where lawyers go to get their law degree. So try to be a tad bit less insulting and maybe we can actually discuss the topic.

I think i understand what you were meaing, in that as the law here was based on the facts then as the facts have now changed then the law must be wrong also?

However, that is not how it works, the facts infront of the law were interpreted correctly- obviously not enough was done to check these facts but the law itself was sound. Rightly so i believe, a dying man has a right to some form of free time regardless of what they have done, i could maybe have seen some argument for keeping him in Scotland (mainly along the lines that Western countries are going to have better medical care) but that didn't happen.

 

[nonconformist]

Scot's law.

 

[sonorakitch]

Not long.

In geological terms perhaps.

Anyways, had to bump this with juicy new info.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/7871234/Dying-Lockerbie-bomber-could-survive-for-10-years-or-more.html

 

[Karalysia]

Hahaha my prediction is coming true. He really has become immortal.

 

[MobBoss]

In geological terms perhaps.

Anyways, had to bump this with juicy new info.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/7871234/Dying-Lockerbie-bomber-could-survive-for-10-years-or-more.html

Amazing:

Dying Lockerbie bomber 'could survive for 10 years or more'
The Lockerbie bomber could survive for 10 years or longer, according to a cancer specialist who last year said he would be dead within three months of his release.

People should be ashamed they let this terrorist go. People in this thread should be ashamed for being so naive as to have supported his release.

 

[Bugfatty300]

What's wrong with letting his old sorry ass die in a prison infirmary handcuffed to a gurney as other lifers do? If he gets better send him back to his cell for another 10 years. Release on compassion my ass.

 

[sonorakitch]

Thanks Mobby, probably should have pasted the article in here. Anyways, a pretty interesting read nonetheless.

Professor Karol Sikora, who assessed Abdelbaset Ali Mohmet al-Megrahi for the Libyan authorities almost a year ago, told The Sunday Times it was "embarrassing" the bomber had outlived his three-month prognosis.

Megrahi, 58, is the only person convicted of the 1988 bombing of a US Pan Am jumbo jet over Lockerbie, which left 270 dead.

The Scottish government provoked outrage from the United States when it released him from prison in August 2009 on compassionate grounds because he dying of metastatic prostate cancer.

In Scotland, prisoners are eligible for release on compassionate grounds if they have fewer than three months to live.

A report in the Sunday Times said Libyan authorities, keen to secure Megrahi’s release, asked several experts to put a three-month estimate on the bomber’s life but Professor Sikora was the only one to agree.

Professor Sikora, the dean of medicine at Buckingham University and medical director of CancerPartnersUK in London, was paid for his medical assessment of Megrahi at Greenock prison on July last year.

He told the newspaper: “There was always a chance he could live for 10 years, 20 years ... But it's very unusual.

"It was clear that three months was what they were aiming for. Three months was the critical point.

"On the balance of probabilities, I felt I could sort of justify [that]."

He denied he came any under pressure, but admitted: "It is embarrassing that he's gone on for so long."

"There was a 50 per cent chance that he would die in three months, but there was also a 50 per cent chance that he would live longer."

Saif Gaddafi, eldest son of leader Colonel Gaddafi, said in May that Megrahi was still "very sick" with cancer.

The Scottish government insists Kenny MacAskill, the justice minister who took the final decision to release Megrahi, based his ruling on a medical report by Dr Andrew Fraser, director of health and care at the Scottish Prison Service (SPS).

A spokesman said Professor Sikora’s advice to Libya “had no part to play in considerations on the Megrahi case”.

Jack Straw, then Justice Secretary at Westminster, admitted last year that trade and oil agreements were an essential part of the British government’s decision to include Megrahi in a previously planned prisoner transfer agreement with Libya.

He wrote to his Scottish counterpart to say it was "in the overwhelming interests of the United Kingdom" to make Megrahi eligible for return to Libya.

As part of the conditions of his release, Megrahi has to provide a monthly report on his medical condition to East Renfrewshire Council – the local authority where his wife lived during his time in prison.

However, lawyers have prevented the council from releasing reports used to update the Scottish government on his health.

Meanwhile, documents that could clear Megrahi’s name are to be published in his controversial autobiography, it was reported.

An investigation by the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission, which lasted three years, concluded that there were six grounds for believing Megrahi may have suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Those have never been made public but a report in the Sunday Mail said they would be part of the book, work on which is “well under way” at a UK publishing house.

I suppose Scotland may be the place to begin my lifelong dream of world domination.