I think lumber mills next to rivers will still be 1 more production than a boosted unimproved woods, except for if you have Conservation but not Steel? So in that way it's really encouraging selective industry, rather than blanket industry.
[GS] Māori Discussion Thread
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Well, I'd say it rewards not playing in the set pattern for (almost) everyone else, which makes them unique even more.
I am not really a fan of all this unbridled chopping and harvesting, even slavery whipping in Civ IV had some small downsides - diminished population (you lost worked tile yields) and caused temporary unhappiness, but so far in 6, the best way to play for every civ is to be a supereficient termite. Therefore, such mechanic for me is quite desirable, as long as it is for a few selected civs, as it adds variety.
Less builder time will give more time to solve city placement puzzles and pushing scouting ships around. I wonder, if Maori can pull off an early relic based culture victory, as they will be able to meet everyone much earlier and maybe surpass everyone else before their domestic tourism builds up, however we have yet to see how those victories are changed in GS.
And I'm really looking forward to learn more about the new climate mechanics and what new effects all this deforestation will have on the map (if any). I see CO2 levels, but sadly there is no O2 count. It would certainly add some intrigue to the late game, if at some point we were to realize that there is no way back already and the only way to survive is to complete the rocket and fire off to Mars before everyone else on Earth chokes to death
Looking at the religions that civ VI features and which it does not feature besides having a civ that craves use it, I don't think including a religion based on Maui mythology is appropriate. However, I think there should be a pantheon that rewards you for settling near volcanoes. Alternatively, it could be belief, but I think a pantheon makes much more sense for such an ability. Would I associate this volcano pantheon with the Maori? No, it's rather global phenomenon and like other pantheons, it should have a generic name. God of the Fire for example.
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I can't help but read that in Harald's voice.
And it is true, I can see their coastal cities being easy pickins for Harald's longships. They might want to settle one tile inland. The first look video has them starting fairly close to land. Whoops, I just checked, the first look video starts on turn 4. So perhaps you are right, they could start further in the middle of the ocean.
I was thinking the same thing. I will be putting lumbermills on woods next to rivers.
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Kupe The Penis-Thumbed
His left thumb looks a bit displaced, the animators might have to look over that again.
Kupe The Penis-Thumbed
Is there a Maori rite to wear some things as a child that slowly deform your thumbs as you grow? Otherwise I can't imagine how you would end up with such an unnatural thumb shape where they connect to the hand.
Kupe The Penis-Thumbed
I think the Māori look fun and unique, and Kupe looks pretty good. However it's amusing they seem to be depicting them as guardians of nature.
It's understandable that they want an environmentalist leader in this expansion, but there is little historical basis for this, as with pretty much every settled culture in the world. The Māori found Aotearoa almost entirely forested and practised large scale burning and deforestation (in-game chopping!) to clear land for their settlements. They also hunted the (presumably delicious) Giant Moa to extinction!
Conversely, the Māori fit very well with the natural disaster focus of the expansion. New Zealand is of course prone to earthquakes and volcanic activity, and it is believed that a period of cooling and several such disasters (and tsunamis) led to the development of the warrior culture that was in place by the time European settlers arrived.
It's understandable that they want an environmentalist leader in this expansion, but there is little historical basis for this, as with pretty much every settled culture in the world. The Māori found Aotearoa almost entirely forested and practised large scale burning and deforestation (in-game chopping!) to clear land for their settlements. They also hunted the (presumably delicious) Giant Moa to extinction!
Conversely, the Māori fit very well with the natural disaster focus of the expansion. New Zealand is of course prone to earthquakes and volcanic activity, and it is believed that a period of cooling and several such disasters (and tsunamis) led to the development of the warrior culture that was in place by the time European settlers arrived.
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+culture if you throw units in it
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Who’s got two thumbs and just smashed your Legions with some dudes with clubs...
Yeah. This guy, right here...
Yeah. This guy, right here...
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Did the first look say what tech you needed for them? I didn't notice but I haven't had quite the time to read everything either.
No. We only know that it is classical.
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so it could even be on the culture tree.
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Hone heke used to take slaves to the white men and say which ones you do want tatoo'd and then killed for the shrunken heads. Then bought guns with the money so he could get more slaves.
I am not sure Ed heard about some of the darker sides of the Maori... like infanticide. The reason the Maori did not really deforest is they did not have Iron. As soon as they got their hands on iron and potatoes it was time to chop!
With all of the BS they have said about talking to kiwi's .... they make a picture of a warrior with a piece of greenstone that in reality he would struggle to lift!.
And do you know how much a piece of greenstone that size would be worth! .. and whats with the horns?
This is the real deal, sure some were a little bigger but not what is shown by any imagination. It may look small but mere were deadly
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Eh. They're cartoon characters like a cm tall on my screen. Have you seen the size of the guns that some of the other units have?
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I remember it was more than "one person complaining on Twitter".
Not to mention the size of that bloke’s head in proportion to his body.
Native Americans did have forms of writing before the arrival of the Europeans though, didn't they? I think it's a good balancing act and being honest about Maori strengths and weaknesses.
Well, giving them a great writing slot would be extra cruel
The Cree and Mapuche had no writing. Aztec did.
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I'm only on page 20, but I've noticed some people had a bit of concern about the starting Builder being captured by Barbarians before it can found a city. So I went back and re-watched the video and noticed that the Builder both disembarked and founded the capital on Turn 5.
I'm only on page 20, but I've noticed some people had a bit of concern about the starting Builder being captured by Barbarians before it can found a city. So I went back and re-watched the video and noticed that the Builder both disembarked and founded the capital on Turn 5.
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There's no reason to be worried about the settler being captured by barbarians, because barbarians can't enter ocean until later and your units have 4 moves on water so it shouldn't be a problem to land them both on the same land tile starting from an ocean tile.
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