Mafia/NOTW Statistics
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I'm now at civplayah's experimental mafia I. Anyone familiar with that game will understand that I have absolutely no idea what I'm supposed to do at this point. 
Askthepizzaguy
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If a game is unwinnable even by the host's own opinion, do not count it in the database, just refer to it in the history section.
Zack
99% hot gas
How are you counting replacements?
The same as anyone who'd been that role from the start, which is how I think Romanic does it.
The tricky part is when they're someone like CCRunner in Lord of the Rings who started as one role, then came in as a replacement for another one- it's rare, but it happens. Generally I'll count that as the role the player spent more time as if they were of different alignments or the second one survived. And if not, it doesn't actually matter.
The tricky part is when they're someone like CCRunner in Lord of the Rings who started as one role, then came in as a replacement for another one- it's rare, but it happens. Generally I'll count that as the role the player spent more time as if they were of different alignments or the second one survived. And if not, it doesn't actually matter.
Zack
99% hot gas
Can I make a request to not count me in bestrfcplayer's mini game, as I wasn't aware that I had replaced someone?
Romanichine
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Yes, but in some cases I have agreed to withdraw the replacement from the database if he was killed before he had time to post or do any action.
On the ORG we ruled that only the first role counts. It's what makes the most sense I think.
I might see if there are any cases of that didn't pay attention to... probably yes.
So far, it's the only one I've come up across, I think, and didn't know what to do about it, so I just did that. Should I change it from a Victory as Mafia where he survived to a Loss as an Innocent where he died?
So far, it's the only one I've come up across, I think, and didn't know what to do about it, so I just did that. Should I change it from a Victory as Mafia where he survived to a Loss as an Innocent where he died?
Romanichine
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I would, but only because it's the most sensible solution we came up with on the ORG. You can read the discussion here.
In fact there's no perfect solution. Replacing in a game where you died under a different alignment, is an oddity that shouldn't be allowed. You end up playing against yourself (your first life) - it doesn't make sense.
Alright, I'll change CCRunner's stats for that game. There are other people who have done that in other games in the database, but all of them ended up being a dead innocent as both roles anyway.
That will probably hurt his stats a bit, as well as reduce his 5-game winning streak and 3-game mafia winning streak to 4 and 2 respectively. Sorry about that, CCRunner, if you're actually around to read this.
The only instance I can find of a replacement player dying immediately after coming into the game was Niklas in Those Darn States, and he won anyway, so I don't think he'd care about that any more than he'd care being counted for a game in which he was the night one nightkill in a game that started at night. I'll just keep counting him like I would for any other replacement player.
And to Zack, yes, I won't count bestrfcplayer's game against you, as that's just a case of GM screw-up on a level high enough to warrant that.
That will probably hurt his stats a bit, as well as reduce his 5-game winning streak and 3-game mafia winning streak to 4 and 2 respectively. Sorry about that, CCRunner, if you're actually around to read this.
The only instance I can find of a replacement player dying immediately after coming into the game was Niklas in Those Darn States, and he won anyway, so I don't think he'd care about that any more than he'd care being counted for a game in which he was the night one nightkill in a game that started at night. I'll just keep counting him like I would for any other replacement player.
And to Zack, yes, I won't count bestrfcplayer's game against you, as that's just a case of GM screw-up on a level high enough to warrant that.
civplayah's experimental mafia has been added. I think the only statistical question left to ask is should I count it in the Games Hosted/Most Players in a Game/Most Posts in a Game stats (and it doesn't even matter for the last two, it falls well short of being able to get in the Top 20 of either one). It certainly doesn't count for anything else.
CFC Mafia has been added. Zack and anyone else who was mafia in the game will be happy to know that I'm not counting it for most of the statistics. Not because of the bad balance issues, but because I can't tell what all the alignment of all of the players is, especially among the survivors and the dead killers.
Come to think of it, that's true of several other games in the database, but in most of those, neutrals were either certainly non-existent (most clue games, most really small games), or mostly non-existent. Most of the time, there's only around 1 or 2, and a good number of them can't win with the alignment that won the game anyway, so in a lot of games I can just assume that everyone who wasn't mafia was townie. In games that certainly had a lot of neutrals, though, like CFC Mafia (which had a double-digit number of them), it's way harder to tell.
Come to think of it, that's true of several other games in the database, but in most of those, neutrals were either certainly non-existent (most clue games, most really small games), or mostly non-existent. Most of the time, there's only around 1 or 2, and a good number of them can't win with the alignment that won the game anyway, so in a lot of games I can just assume that everyone who wasn't mafia was townie. In games that certainly had a lot of neutrals, though, like CFC Mafia (which had a double-digit number of them), it's way harder to tell.
