Although I'm still about a year away from reaching current games in the database, Jarrema's recently concluded Mafia Wars game confuses me as to what I should count people as. What does everyone think?
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landlubber
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No. Count each family as a different branch of town and ATPG as an SK. That's what it really was IMO.
Askthepizzaguy
Know the Dark Side
I wasn't a SK if I was told I was town and was under the impression that I had townie allies.
Yes, I really was a townie by myself. And my win wasn't to be the last one standing, but to accumulate points.
Yes, I really was a townie by myself. And my win wasn't to be the last one standing, but to accumulate points.
Askthepizzaguy
Know the Dark Side
I could accumulate enough points for a draw even if I was dead.
Serial killer roles are different; they know they're against everyone. This was a townie role without peer.
TheLastDays
Warlord
Yea. I would go the obvious way and have everyone Mafia while ATPG was town.
Zack
99% hot gas
Well, let's look at it this way.
Town = uninformed majority
Mafia = informed minority
In Jarrema's game, there were a bunch of uninformed minorities. So... neutral?
Town = uninformed majority
Mafia = informed minority
In Jarrema's game, there were a bunch of uninformed minorities. So... neutral?
Definitions don't really mean much.
ATPG was led to believe he was a townie. At the same time, we were all led to believe that we were mafia.
Gamezrule is right, that really seems like the best call for that game, rather interesting setup at that. If we had a separate category for "multifactional game", which we don't, then counting all the mafia families under that would work with ATPG still town, but just mafia is the better fit as it is.
edit for xpost with choxorn - what I think the game actually played out as was a different category but one we're not really counting. For example, in case you'd ask later, the Ngoogol game I hosted certainly would fall under the same category of games to me - a multifactional game. But with the available categories for statistics here it would be wrong to count everyone as neutral or something like that, so you take the town-like groups and call them town and the mafia-like groups and call them mafia (which turns out to be almost all of them here). If we could call the whole game a multifactional game that's how I'd summarize it but for classification just mafia is next best.
edit for xpost with choxorn - what I think the game actually played out as was a different category but one we're not really counting. For example, in case you'd ask later, the Ngoogol game I hosted certainly would fall under the same category of games to me - a multifactional game. But with the available categories for statistics here it would be wrong to count everyone as neutral or something like that, so you take the town-like groups and call them town and the mafia-like groups and call them mafia (which turns out to be almost all of them here). If we could call the whole game a multifactional game that's how I'd summarize it but for classification just mafia is next best.
Well, for the last multifactional games I did (It's A Long Story and Court of the Momus), it was easy- I just counted everyone as neutral, because the game was set up in a way that pretty much everyone was neutral, most could win with others but lacked a "town" or "mafia" victory (even with everyone wanting to kill each other in It's A Long Story)- there really wasn't a "town" or a "mafia." I consider doing the same for Night of the Mindworms when I get to it, although that one had some factions that were clearly closer to townie, and some that were clearly closer to mafia.
But in those games, it was put into the rules that that would be the set-up. In this one, it was not made clear.
But in those games, it was put into the rules that that would be the set-up. In this one, it was not made clear.
Romanichine
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About Jarrema's game, here's the setup as I understand it:
4 mason teams of 4 players (they all knew each other from the beginning), and ATPG was a lone killer.
If this is the setup, I would rule it (on the ORG) as "not a mafia game" and it would simply not be part of my statistics. This is what I did with some games that strays too far from a standard Mafia setup, and you shouldn't be afraid to do the same choxorn.
In this particular case, you can't flag anyone as Town because the setup is different. It's more a Battle Royale team game than a Mafia game.
You can still list it, without making it part of the statistics, as you did for incomplete games, I believe.
4 mason teams of 4 players (they all knew each other from the beginning), and ATPG was a lone killer.
If this is the setup, I would rule it (on the ORG) as "not a mafia game" and it would simply not be part of my statistics. This is what I did with some games that strays too far from a standard Mafia setup, and you shouldn't be afraid to do the same choxorn.
In this particular case, you can't flag anyone as Town because the setup is different. It's more a Battle Royale team game than a Mafia game.
You can still list it, without making it part of the statistics, as you did for incomplete games, I believe.
Romanichine
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By mason, I mean that they knew each other from the start. I checked one QT and the members were listed in the first few posts. Perhaps "mason" isn't the right term, I agree.
Point still stands.Maybe make a new category?
Mafia = Town?
