Mass Effect 3

[Maniacal]

-No new LIs in ME3, and if you cheated, it comes up at the "worst possible time"

This kind of pisses me off about ME2, it wasn't really clear that you were cheating on your ME1 romance because you had died, they were BARELY in the game, and they seemed like totally different and rather spiteful characters.

 

[LightSpectra]

What does LI stand for?

 

[Dachs]

Love interest.

This kind of pisses me off about ME2, it wasn't really clear that you were cheating on your ME1 romance because you had died, they were BARELY in the game, and they seemed like totally different and rather spiteful characters.

Well, they'd been saying "cheating will have repercussions" since they announced save file transfer, which was before the release of ME2, sooooo...

I mean, if you really wanted to romance somebody in the second game without Bad Stuff Happening, was it that hard to create a blank-slate Shep in ME1 (or steal a save file of one off the internet)? It's pretty clear that none of the ME1 LIs thought that it was "over" between the two of you in ME2 long before you had the opportunity to start romancing ME2 LIs.

 

[LightSpectra]

... what does "worst possible time" mean? To get revenge on Unfaithful Shepard, they join the Reapers? Or right as you're about to sex somebody else, your ME1 love interest walks in the room?

 

[Dachs]

Worst possible time basically means nothing; one would think that any point in the Reaper war would be the "worst possible time".

 

[LightSpectra]

It'd be interesting if it had actual ramifications on the plot, though. As it stands, romances are sort of a side-quest that can be utterly ignored with no effect on the storyline.

 

[Maniacal]

Love interest.

Well, they'd been saying "cheating will have repercussions" since they announced save file transfer, which was before the release of ME2, sooooo...

I mean, if you really wanted to romance somebody in the second game without Bad Stuff Happening, was it that hard to create a blank-slate Shep in ME1 (or steal a save file of one off the internet)? It's pretty clear that none of the ME1 LIs thought that it was "over" between the two of you in ME2 long before you had the opportunity to start romancing ME2 LIs.

I didn't read any of the pre-ME2 articles and stuff, and I didn't like Kaidan or Ashley enough to romance them so I went with Liara and meeting her again was really weird. And that was BEFORE I romanced someone else. They did a pretty piss poor job of making that clear in the game.

... what does "worst possible time" mean? To get revenge on Unfaithful Shepard, they join the Reapers? Or right as you're about to sex somebody else, your ME1 love interest walks in the room?

Probably right in the middle of some major assault when Shepherd has a LOT of things to do RIGHT NOW that are a hell of a lot more important than an ex crying.

 

[carmen510]

$5 says that the ex crying will be easily solved with a maxed Paragon/Renegade response, after which the ex will quickly return to your side.

 

[Dachs]

I didn't read any of the pre-ME2 articles and stuff, and I didn't like Kaidan or Ashley enough to romance them so I went with Liara and meeting her again was really weird. And that was BEFORE I romanced someone else. They did a pretty piss poor job of making that clear in the game.

You didn't explore all of the dialogue with Liara, then. Also, LotSB.

$5 says that the ex crying will be easily solved with a maxed Paragon/Renegade response, after which the ex will quickly return to your side.

And that at least 75% of the people playing the game won't have enough Paragon/Renegade points to pass the check. (I'm looking at Kraz, Owen, and Azale here...)

But honestly, I could see it going either way. Unlike the Miri/Jack and Legion/Tali loyalty conflicts, both of which got a lot of complaints because they weren't easy to pass (for idiots), cheating isn't something you Have To Do, unlike getting all of the squad loyal. So why would BioWare put a workaround in?

 

[LightSpectra]

A lot of the Paragon/Renegade checks are really difficult to pass if you didn't import a character from ME1. I remember watching my friend do a full Renegade run through almost perfectly but missing a great deal of the checks because he simply didn't have enough points.

 

[Dachs]

A lot of the Paragon/Renegade checks are really difficult to pass if you didn't import a character from ME1. I remember watching my friend do a full Renegade run through almost perfectly but missing a great deal of the checks because he simply didn't have enough points.

Um, ever done an NG+ run? Same morality situation as though you didn't import an ME1 save. I've literally never had difficulties on pure-Paragon, pure-Renegade, or Paragon-with-Renegade-Interrupts NG+ Insanity runs. Maybe he just went through poorly, or missed a lot of small change points in the course of conversations. If he's missing checks, he clearly isn't doing things "almost perfectly".

 

[shortguy]

I think they hit a fairly good level with ME2 Insanity, but I wouldn't say no to an increase in difficulty.

I should probably admit that I'm only 1/3 of my way through my first insanity playthrough, so I can't fully say how hard it is, though I was basing my comment on the fact that any game easy enough to let me get this far can't be hard. I'm pretty bad at video games, particularly shooty ones.

Um, ever done an NG+ run? Same morality situation as though you didn't import an ME1 save. I've literally never had difficulties on pure-Paragon, pure-Renegade, or Paragon-with-Renegade-Interrupts NG+ Insanity runs. Maybe he just went through poorly, or missed a lot of small change points in the course of conversations. If he's missing checks, he clearly isn't doing things "almost perfectly".

I had the same problem in my first run. I think my issue was that I ignored some of the major hub sidequests and convos (Patriarch, endorsing all the citadel stores, etc.).

 

[Rub'Rum]

I agree with Princescamp about the whole romance thing. It was way unclear and badly presented. Liara's appearance in ME2 was already weak and awkwardly presented enough without making it worse with consequences in ME3. It was one of the worst part of the game for me.

 

[Dachs]

I'm not denying that the presentation of the Liara romance in particular was flawed, at least before LotSB, but it seemed pretty clear to me, even before LotSB, that there was still something there between you, and that you were cheating on her if you switched LIs. Why wouldn't there be any consequences to switching LIs?

I should probably admit that I'm only 1/3 of my way through my first insanity playthrough, so I can't fully say how hard it is, though I was basing my comment on the fact that any game easy enough to let me get this far can't be hard. I'm pretty bad at video games, particularly shooty ones.

The fact that you can pause in mid-combat makes it a lot easier, I would think.

I had the same problem in my first run. I think my issue was that I ignored some of the major hub sidequests and convos (Patriarch, endorsing all the citadel stores, etc.).

Ah. Yeah, that's probably the issue, based on how the game calculates the amount of renegade/paragon points you need to pass a given check; it compares total number of points to possible points based on the hub worlds you've been to and the missions you've done; just setting foot on, say, Omega, means that the game compares your acquired morality to the aggregate of theoretical morality from all quests on Omega. So going to a world and not knocking out the sidequests and convos there would cripple your morality score.

 

[Maniacal]

You didn't explore all of the dialogue with Liara, then. Also, LotSB.

Yes, I did. And LotSB didn't come out until LONG after I had beaten ME2 at lest twice.

And that at least 75% of the people playing the game won't have enough Paragon/Renegade points to pass the check. (I'm looking at Kraz, Owen, and Azale here...)

Its so easy to get either one at least mostly full I doubt it.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Cheat ? Cheat ?
I didn't cheat on anyone, I had two unrelated flings with Ashley and Miranda.

 

[Kozmos]

Well since the ME1 original consciousness Shepard died and ME2 is basically a replicated one I don't see it necessarily as cheating. The original Shepard is dead, this one while feeling the same can be attributed to changing because well herpa derp the process isnt perfect yah?

And my renegade femshep totally boned Liara and Garrus simply for lol alien sex values.

 

[LightSpectra]

Well since the ME1 original consciousness Shepard died and ME2 is basically a replicated one I don't see it necessarily as cheating. The original Shepard is dead, this one while feeling the same can be attributed to changing because well herpa derp the process isnt perfect yah?

He's not replicated. As silly as the techno-babble behind it is, the game makes it as clear as humanly possible that it's the same Shepard, and that he didn't die, he just had his body rebuilt.

 

[Kozmos]

Well that's just Bioware's or whoever wrote it wishful thinking. No oxygen = brain death = consciousness death. They might be able to juice it back up but the original Shep is dead.

 

[mechaerik]

Then the Lazarus Project failed. Shepards supposed to have the same personality as before.

Although the emotional shock of dying would probably have an effect. Thats how i justified my paragon-to-renegade run (femshep, sole survivor, colonist).