Master of Mana Xtended - Download and Changelog

esvath · Jun 10, 2017

Old changelogs (5.0-5.4)

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TechPriest321 · Jun 11, 2017

esvath said:
If you have error: GFC Error: failed to initialize primary control theme, try to rename the folder into "Master of Mana".

Which folder am I supposed to rename? If it's the main folder for the mod, it was installed named Master of Mana

esvath · Jun 13, 2017

TechPriest321 said:
Which folder am I supposed to rename? If it's the main folder for the mod, it was installed named Master of Mana

The main folder should be Master of Mana. If you have that and are still having error, did you put the other folders in their correct path?

Firaxis Games/Sid's Meier Civilization/Beyond the Sword/Mods/Master of Mana/Assets/ or something like that?

Alexej · Jun 17, 2017

Thanks for the new version

Vital Brasil · Jun 18, 2017

I can't believe this sunday ill finally be able to play this version !! :woohoo:

Damn, real life, take it easy

GIR · Jun 18, 2017

esvath said:
Xtended 5.6 has been uploaded in SVN and mediafire.
[...]

Wow, awesome to see new updates for this great Mod.
Thank you a lot!

It is really sad that no Mods for Civ5 or Civ6 is nearly as addictive as the Fall from Heaven ModMods.

Alexej · Jun 19, 2017

I do have a question. Mazatl Lizarman Shaper (UU druid) requires neutral? but mazatl have single leader and it is good one
Mazatl Gardener UU worker takes support while normal worker is not

Melanie88 · Jun 22, 2017

I played Hafgan the Purger (Clan of Embers) as a change of pace and of course made a sad mess of things (not a good match with my playing style!). Fortunately, a Great Engineer was born, and in desperation, I built the Mercurian Gate and switched to Basium (Yay!).

After an astonishing come-from-behind victory, I wonder that there isn't a unit cap (or at least an expensive cost to upgrade) for the Seraphs. Their ability to be reborn allows repeated "suicide" attacks when close to home. A dozen of these can quickly wreck most attacks and come out more experienced, since they survive with all their gear when defeated. Just a thought...

esvath · Jun 22, 2017

Melanie88 said:
After an astonishing come-from-behind victory, I wonder that there isn't a unit cap (or at least an expensive cost to upgrade) for the Seraphs. Their ability to be reborn allows repeated "suicide" attacks when close to home. A dozen of these can quickly wreck most attacks and come out more experienced, since they survive with all their gear when defeated. Just a thought...

There are several arguments that make me reluctant to limit the high angels:
- These angels are Mercurians' high end units.
- They are scattered all over tech trees; I think mostly Mercurians player will gain two types of high angels at most.
- Seraph requires Immortality, which is an end game tech, so in my opinion they should be powerful.

Rather than limiting the number of Seraphs, how about increasing required level to, say, 6? Angels need to be level 6 before player can upgrade them to Seraphs.
Or, maybe removing Mobility I from the Seraphs?

Alexej said:
I do have a question. Mazatl Lizarman Shaper (UU druid) requires neutral? but mazatl have single leader and it is good one

Lizardman Shaper will ignore alignment, thus Good Mazatl or Neutral/Evil Clan of Embers can build the unit.

Alexej said:
Mazatl Gardener UU worker takes support while normal worker is not

Fixed.

Melanie88 · Jun 23, 2017

esvath said:
There are several arguments that make me reluctant to limit the high angels:
- These angels are Mercurians' high end units.
- They are scattered all over tech trees; I think mostly Mercurians player will gain two types of high angels at most.
- Seraph requires Immortality, which is an end game tech, so in my opinion they should be powerful.

Rather than limiting the number of Seraphs, how about increasing required level to, say, 6? Angels need to be level 6 before player can upgrade them to Seraphs.
Or, maybe removing Mobility I from the Seraphs?

The trouble with the level 6 idea is that when experienced Good-aligned troops are slain in the world, they are reborn to the Mercurians as high level angels. With Herbalism, level 6 is rather easy to reach with potions, as well. I'd favor changing the 5 gold upgrade cost to 500 gold or so.

scutarii · Jun 27, 2017

Melanie88 said:
The trouble with the level 6 idea is that when experienced Good-aligned troops are slain in the world, they are reborn to the Mercurians as high level angels. With Herbalism, level 6 is rather easy to reach with potions, as well. I'd favor changing the 5 gold upgrade cost to 500 gold or so.

all this mercurain stuff now need serious investement and it aint cheap, tried mercurians myself too. Tough to start yes, had to "suicide" basium several times for XP vs barbs but as soon as you "catch the wind " - basium steamrolls, yeah, thats how basium plays at every ffh 2 ( mod).

Alexej · Jul 1, 2017

Wanted to ask few questions about Illians. Their disciple units are bit strange.

Frost maiden and Priest of Winter (same with mazatl Priests) chosen for Divine disc cant take Dark Priest nor Hierophant class, it offers Justicar instead. Also their auras have effect and range but not number of targets and they seem to affect noone ? Mazatl priests do not have aura at all (maybe as intended)

esvath · Jul 3, 2017

Alexej said:
Also their auras have effect and range but not number of targets and they seem to affect noone ?

Frostmaidens and Priests of Winter's aura affects all hostile enemy within range, reducing their cold resistance. It should be visible when you hover on enemy unit within their range. I can't check it now but I think their aura works.

Priests of OO have similar effects on their auras.

Alexej said:
Mazatl priests do not have aura at all (maybe as intended)

This is an oversight. They should have auras.

Alexej · Jul 3, 2017

I do have unit suffering from gaping wound forever despite medic 2 stationed in city with him

Frostmaiden and Priest of Winter aura states it reduces cold damage taken so I do hope it doesnt affect enemies around

EDIT : Yes it does that

esvath · Jul 4, 2017

Alexej said:
I do have unit suffering from gaping wound forever despite medic 2 stationed in city with him

Frostmaiden and Priest of Winter aura states it reduces cold damage taken so I do hope it doesnt affect enemies around EDIT : Yes it does that

Yes, the code is healing units first then wounding them, making Gaping Wound eternal. This is fixed in the next version.

Combat auras' tool tips are for buff effect, so debuff auras (like Frostmaiden's) have strange tool tips. Their effects are the reverse of the tool tips (instead of reducing cold damage from friendly units, it is reducing cold resistance from hostile units).

scutarii · Jul 6, 2017

AI is culture flipping my cities ( and not mad clowns civ but elohim), LOL ! Good tactics !

Ombatur · Jul 6, 2017

scutarii said:
AI is culture flipping my cities ( and not mad clowns civ but elohim), LOL ! Good tactics !

Speaking of elohim. I personally think they're a bit too strong currently. I haven't played them myself recently, but the AI is doing significantly better with them than with other civilizations. On the scoreboard they are always like 200 points better than the second best AI.

scutarii · Jul 6, 2017

Ombatur said:
Speaking of elohim. I personally think they're a bit too strong currently. I haven't played them myself recently, but the AI is doing significantly better with them than with other civilizations. On the scoreboard they are always like 200 points better than the second best AI.

Agreed. They - elohim shine at every situation, some civs can't ... illians at non winter, malakim non desert, golems alwas are at the top, lanun too - a bit of surprisingly. Aosi is always badass - I'd tweak their autoterraforming to rituals.

Psychodad · Jul 7, 2017

Elohim short AAR:

In my last game with Grigorie, Elohim gave me a hard time conquering them. First their World Spell buyed them time, second they had about 10 life-mana early midgame and lots of unique features making their early Angel units (2 life Affinity + 100% str near unique features) 50 str monsters. So i decidet to give them a try.

As usually I play MOM Mapscript, size Human, speed quick. I play on deity and usally restart 3-4 times to get an good starting location. With Elohim one can see all unique Features from the beginning. With my second try i started near Remnants of Patria unique feature. I had to walk for three turns but could settle my first city next to it. It was 3 Food 7 Hammers kick start.

http://imgur.com/fAU60Og

Since the spot was in hight wilderness area i started pumping out monks to defend my improvements. Than i realized that these guy start with three Movement (with mobility one from Leader), a weapon, and a bunch of nice promotions, including the amazing quick learner. They really made quick work of all invading barbarians and started farming the the nearby camps and citys. By Turn 45 most of my 10 Monks had EXP way beyond 100.

http://imgur.com/FgjdYFl

I expanded a little to get some more culture und research and continued Farming.

http://imgur.com/Le0eiRC

In about Turn 90 I captured a scopion and decidet it was a good oppotunity to start conquering. With the poison, two military techs and 2 from justicar Promotion the base strength of my monks was 15 by that time, they had 4 movement and mostly about 300 EXP.

http://imgur.com/VTlsT2p

I decleared my first war in Turn 97, and endet the game in Turn 124 by conquering the last enemy city. My top tier monk with attached commander had 700EXP by that time.

http://imgur.com/VXh6FAx
http://imgur.com/fuMANif

So in the end i didn`t even use any of the Elohim features to win the game, just their Monks are so good, nothing else is needed.

kentt86 · Jul 8, 2017

Monk has the ability of "+50% strength when near a unique feature", but how near is consider "near"? Within 2 tiles?

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