Master of Mana Xtended

[Flauros]

So where do I find the code you guys are just now working on? I can only seem to find some stuff from 2013 or so.

EDIT: I am also very curious where the mod handles resources that are being used up by buildings.

 

[esvath]

Also, not much Civ specific AI code here, just bare minimum. Would be much more interesting if the Civs had more unique preferenses.

Maybe instead of a particular civ name, Sephi used flavor and other xml entries?

IMHO, using flavor/xml entries to determine AI is better than using a hard-coded civ name because we can mod flavor. But I don't know if this is feasible....

 

[esvath]

Guys... you are awesome!!! Kudos to all of you!!!

Hi, Tschuggi! It is nice to see you around!

So where do I find the code you guys are just now working on? I can only seem to find some stuff from 2013 or so.

EDIT: I am also very curious where the mod handles resources that are being used up by buildings.

We are using Master of Mana released in 2013 as the base of Xtended.

The dll code we are trying to improve is revision 204 in this link

If you are looking for graphical assets for buildings/units, they are in the fpk files inside Assets folder in the mod. You need to unpack them first.

 

[Psychodad]

Hi,

i am really greateful this great Mod is still worked on. After years, this is still my favorit game despite of some balance issues. There is no other turn based strategie game with such a rich flavor and complexitie.

I am sure there are many others like me really enjoing this mod, who will be very happy to see it is not dead. So keep on.

Cheerio!

 

[CarnivalBizarre]

Reverting my SVN back to 204 via Tortoise then and I can take a bit of a look over the weekend. I guess we should make our own branch on the sourceforge if we wanna take it from there. Did anyone use to have contact with Sephi, that has contact info to him?

 

[esvath]

Cool! Looking forward to hearing from you after examining the code!

 

[CarnivalBizarre]

Well, having issues getting the build to work (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13711084#post13711084) which I guess I expected. So no luck at pushing further yet.

Still, a new sourceforge project set up, https://sourceforge.net/projects/masterofmanaxtended/
with master of mana r204 with Xtended dumped on top of it, which seems to work fine so far.
If you have sourceforge users or get them you can message me and I can give Write access to the repository if you wanna help.
Also, if someone managed to get it to build in VS2013 or similar, I would not mind some help. After looking and fixing many things but still getting a few errors I am a bit out of ideas...

 

[Tholal]

Looked into the code, found some AI information in CvUnitAI.cpp - also looked into many more files.

All the files with "AI" in the filename are for AI functions. Besides Units, there's ones for Cities, Players and Teams.

-Promotion check (when attacking, defending, guarding city) - how and where is it checked?

CvUnitAI::AI_promotionValue(PromotionTypes ePromotion)

-How is the plot valued in the first place

Depends on what kind of plot you're looking for. Plot evaluations are done all over the place for various purposes.

-How and where (priority) of mana nodes?

Believe that is in python under AI_Mage_UPGRADE_MANA or something along those lines

 

[GIR]

it seems that the healing ability of shrine of sirona doesnt work.
at least after finishing the wonder i cant find a button to heal my wounded unit(s) like it was in plane old ffh2.

 

[Hellraizer]

Hi there,

We continued from where our last post ended.

The following file seems to involve the code for settler group:

CvUnitAI.cpp

int CvUnitAI::AI_getSettlerPatrolUnitsNeeded()
{
if(AI_getUnitAIType()!=UNITAI_SETTLE)
{
return 0;
}

int iNeededPatrol=4;
if (GET_TEAM(getTeam()).isBarbarianAlly())
{
iNeededPatrol=3;
}

return iNeededPatrol;
}

Maybe change these values by one, first (int iNeededPatrol=4) to 5 and second to 4.
The reasoning behind this is to increase the number of units in the settler group and so enable survival of the settler.
This solution might work, if not, it could be good to try adding more units to this group.

One line was bugging us for some time:

in file AI_GroupSettle.ccp:

int MAX_UNITS_PER_PLOT=3;

This is only used once, but it is NOT used anywhere else. Is this line actually needed? Opinions?
We thought about it, and it might be that this is an experimental line, added for the sake of "3 units per tile"-limit option, but afterwards the coder has decided not to use it(?).


We shall continue - for now, have to stop. Anyone can use our suggestions to try and compile the game - we haven't tried that yet.

 

[thestranger77]

First off I just wanted to say great work. This is one game that i just cant seem to get enough of.
I installed the mod as per instructions on the first page and when I choose this mod I get the following errors:
Tag:SPELLRESEARCH_HOPE in Info class was incorrect
Current XML file is:xml\Units/Civ4ManaschoolInfos.xml
Following by what seems to be an infinite list of similar errors with different tags.
Finally the game crashes.
I have the lasted Beyond The Sword update 3.19 and tryed copy pasting the whole file and installing using the installers. Same errors either way. Can you help?

*Edit- I'm using the Steam version of the game

 

[User0918]

Thanks for continually improving upon the Masters of Mana mod, I just upgraded from 2.11 a few days ago.

I started a new game right away, 16 teams / Emperor difficulty / Aggressive AI / Slower XP. I ended up getting Luchuirp and was a little worried, cause I never did well with them in regular MoM. To my great surprise I steamrolled the map and won at turn 700something (Sacrosanct Earth victory, had 30 cities at that point and there was no real opponent left, so I called it a day).

Looking back I pondered about the reasons for my dominance and quickly came to one conclusion (actually 2): Warlock Discipline and the subsequent Sorcerer promotion. Those two combined give you +25 spell damage, -20% target resists and +100% spelltargets. Thats absolutely overkill! You can level Adepts in no time to 40XP, on the way you grab the spellpower I and spell targets I, which gets you to +35 dmg and +120% targets. Meaning a spell that would normally hit 6 guys instead hits 13! Now multiply that with the added spell dmg and all of a sudden your adepts become your main attack force. I swear to god I didn't use a single melee unit late game, only carried archers along to secure the captured cities and still instakilled any stack I came across with my 10 adepts and a simple fireball spell.

In my opinion this needs serious rebalancing. I'd be fine with archmages being on that power level, but (ungeared) adepts should not be able to decimate whole garrisons all by themself. It makes most other offensive units basically worthless, considering the effort it takes to make them useful (leveling/gearing). Psionic Blast could conter the spellcasting, but I've never seen the enemy using it once and on top it only works when your unit is damaged, so bringing a medic II/III along basically nullifies it.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm really apreciative of all the work you're doing, but from now on I could use this strategy and win every single game, something that would have never been possible for me in old MoM. So I would have to restrain myself from using those promotions and that would feel just wrong, kinda like inverse cheating. I never tempered with the game files, otherwise I might have been able to change this myself, but after briefly skimming over the folders I'm at a complete loss here. So any help is welcome

 

[esvath]

First off I just wanted to say great work. This is one game that i just cant seem to get enough of.
I installed the mod as per instructions on the first page and when I choose this mod I get the following errors:
Tag:SPELLRESEARCH_HOPE in Info class was incorrect
Current XML file is:xml\Units/Civ4ManaschoolInfos.xml
Following by what seems to be an infinite list of similar errors with different tags.
Finally the game crashes.
I have the lasted Beyond The Sword update 3.19 and tryed copy pasting the whole file and installing using the installers. Same errors either way. Can you help?

*Edit- I'm using the Steam version of the game

Hi!

I don't know what has caused the error, I tried to reinstall the mod and it went fine. Could you delete all files and directory of Xtended and reinstall?

Also, just to make sure, you installed it in C:\...\Beyond the Sword\Mods, right?

 

[esvath]

Thanks for continually improving upon the Masters of Mana mod, I just upgraded from 2.11 a few days ago.

I started a new game right away, 16 teams / Emperor difficulty / Aggressive AI / Slower XP. I ended up getting Luchuirp and was a little worried, cause I never did well with them in regular MoM. To my great surprise I steamrolled the map and won at turn 700something (Sacrosanct Earth victory, had 30 cities at that point and there was no real opponent left, so I called it a day).

Looking back I pondered about the reasons for my dominance and quickly came to one conclusion (actually 2): Warlock Discipline and the subsequent Sorcerer promotion. Those two combined give you +25 spell damage, -20% target resists and +100% spelltargets. Thats absolutely overkill! You can level Adepts in no time to 40XP, on the way you grab the spellpower I and spell targets I, which gets you to +35 dmg and +120% targets. Meaning a spell that would normally hit 6 guys instead hits 13! Now multiply that with the added spell dmg and all of a sudden your adepts become your main attack force. I swear to god I didn't use a single melee unit late game, only carried archers along to secure the captured cities and still instakilled any stack I came across with my 10 adepts and a simple fireball spell.

In my opinion this needs serious rebalancing. I'd be fine with archmages being on that power level, but (ungeared) adepts should not be able to decimate whole garrisons all by themself. It makes most other offensive units basically worthless, considering the effort it takes to make them useful (leveling/gearing). Psionic Blast could conter the spellcasting, but I've never seen the enemy using it once and on top it only works when your unit is damaged, so bringing a medic II/III along basically nullifies it.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm really apreciative of all the work you're doing, but from now on I could use this strategy and win every single game, something that would have never been possible for me in old MoM. So I would have to restrain myself from using those promotions and that would feel just wrong, kinda like inverse cheating. I never tempered with the game files, otherwise I might have been able to change this myself, but after briefly skimming over the folders I'm at a complete loss here. So any help is welcome

Hi, thank you for playing Xtended!

Don't worry, I welcome feedbacks and criticism, more so when it concerns balance because I tend to make things OP in order to balance other OP things

Warlock + Sorcerer = imbalance?

Maybe I will reduce the "increase damage" bit from both promotions then.

If you want to change these promotions, go to Modules/Normal Modules/Xtended/XPromotion/XPromotion_CIV4PromotionInfos.xml and look for the Warlock and Sorcerer promotions.

 

[thestranger77]

Hi!

I don't know what has caused the error, I tried to reinstall the mod and it went fine. Could you delete all files and directory of Xtended and reinstall?

Also, just to make sure, you installed it in C:\...\Beyond the Sword\Mods, right?

I trying to install this on my other computer also and I'm getting the same errors.
I installed the mod in:
c:/users/computer name/my documents/my games/Beyond the Sword/MODS/Masters of Mana Xtended

 

[esvath]

I trying to install this on my other computer also and I'm getting the same errors.
I installed the mod in:
c:/users/computer name/my documents/my games/Beyond the Sword/MODS/Masters of Mana Xtended

Oh, no. You should install the mod inside Civ BTS's direction in the Program Files.

It might be something like C:/Program Files/Firaxis/Civilization/Beyond the Sword/Mods

 

[thestranger77]

Oh, no. You should install the mod inside Civ BTS's direction in the Program Files.

It might be something like C:/Program Files/Firaxis/Civilization/Beyond the Sword/Mods

Ahh got it. Thank you for your help. I'm loving the changes from 2.11
For any STEAM users out there with the same problem here is where you install the mod:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Sid Meier's Civilization IV Beyond the Sword\Beyond the Sword\Mods

 

[ThePinkFox]

There are some bugs. Quarries never produce more than 2 stone. Getting enough stone is proving prohibitive.

 

[CarnivalBizarre]

Managed to build it now. Only in release of course. But that is way better than nothing I guess.

Not sure what causes the InterlockExchange errors on debug, but I have looked all over the internet for a solution.... Bläh

 

[esvath]

Managed to build it now. Only in release of course. But that is way better than nothing I guess.

Not sure what causes the InterlockExchange errors on debug, but I have looked all over the internet for a solution.... Bläh

Sooo... dll modding is possible now? Hurray!!!