Math04: Another 100K
- Thread starter Mathias
- Start date
550 BC (0)
Switch Lahore to Cathedral
Swap wonders in Madras and Bangalore
MM cities a bit
IT: Madras Mausoleum >> Library
Calcutta Settler >> Cathedral
Lahore Cathedral >> Aqueduct
Byzantines switch to ToA
530 BC (1)
IT: Barbarians near gems (settler will have to retreat)
Bombay Settler >> Settler
510 BC (2)
Forest chop near Delhi reveals BG
490 BC (3)
Notice a Babylonian city SE of Nanking
Forest chop near Lahore, not BG
470 BC (4)
Hyderabad founded >> Worker (10th city)
IT: Delhi Cathedral >> Settler
450 BC (5)
Inca have entered the Middle Ages
Trade: Republic + Construction to China for Monarchy
Delhi switched to Hanging Gardens
Bengal founded >> Worker
Chittagong founded >> Worker
Sci 50% for Theology in 3
430 BC (6)
Punjab founded >> Worker
410 BC (7)
America has entered the Middle Ages
IT: Inca demand Monotheism. Damn them, but we have no choice.
Theology >> Education (Science still at 50%)
Bombay Settler >> Worker
Inca begin Great Library. Damn them some more. Completion of ToA could threaten both GL and HG.
390 BC (8)
Consider giving Currency to Byzantines, but we'll meet Babylon next turn, so I wait.
IT: Karachi Horseman >> Horseman
370 BC (9)
Meet Babylon: They lack Currency and Monarchy. They are already building GL
The Inca no longer have the gold I was hoping to get, so I don't hand out Currency yet. Persia is only 4 or 5 turns away.
IT: Madras Library >> Cathedral (or Palace)
350 BC (10)
Settler in Kolhapur has not moved. We might not want to settle right away.
We can move citizens in Bangalore to the hills now, or wait for the mines to be done. We need to finish the Great Library before AI finishes ToA.
Bombay needs to go. I'd rather build workers, but if the team wants settlers...
Karachi should be able to net 10 spt at size 6. I'd rather keep it at that for a while to build our military, and build settler later.
Lahore should be fine with Aqueduct in 7 turns, then growth the turn after.
All new cities are building workers, we don't have nearly enough. I think it was a mistake not to build more workers from our 5 cities (Hindsight: Worker>Temple>Worker>Wonder)
City planning in the east: Smash Tlatelolco and build one tile north. Smash Tlaxcala and build one tile north or northwest. Build on the tip. Archer and warrior can prevent Aztecs from settling on the forest before Lahore expands. (I'd rather not have to replant the forest)
Forbidden Palace in Calcutta?
We need more military. A short war against the Byzantines may be best before a major war against the Aztecs.
BNH is up
Methos on deck
Switch Lahore to Cathedral
Swap wonders in Madras and Bangalore
MM cities a bit
IT: Madras Mausoleum >> Library
Calcutta Settler >> Cathedral
Lahore Cathedral >> Aqueduct
Byzantines switch to ToA
530 BC (1)
IT: Barbarians near gems (settler will have to retreat)
Bombay Settler >> Settler
510 BC (2)
Forest chop near Delhi reveals BG
490 BC (3)
Notice a Babylonian city SE of Nanking
Forest chop near Lahore, not BG
470 BC (4)
Hyderabad founded >> Worker (10th city)
IT: Delhi Cathedral >> Settler
450 BC (5)
Inca have entered the Middle Ages
Trade: Republic + Construction to China for Monarchy
Delhi switched to Hanging Gardens
Bengal founded >> Worker
Chittagong founded >> Worker
Sci 50% for Theology in 3
430 BC (6)
Punjab founded >> Worker
410 BC (7)
America has entered the Middle Ages
IT: Inca demand Monotheism. Damn them, but we have no choice.
Theology >> Education (Science still at 50%)
Bombay Settler >> Worker
Inca begin Great Library. Damn them some more. Completion of ToA could threaten both GL and HG.
390 BC (8)
Consider giving Currency to Byzantines, but we'll meet Babylon next turn, so I wait.
IT: Karachi Horseman >> Horseman
370 BC (9)
Meet Babylon: They lack Currency and Monarchy. They are already building GL
The Inca no longer have the gold I was hoping to get, so I don't hand out Currency yet. Persia is only 4 or 5 turns away.
IT: Madras Library >> Cathedral (or Palace)
350 BC (10)
Settler in Kolhapur has not moved. We might not want to settle right away.
We can move citizens in Bangalore to the hills now, or wait for the mines to be done. We need to finish the Great Library before AI finishes ToA.
Bombay needs to go. I'd rather build workers, but if the team wants settlers...
Karachi should be able to net 10 spt at size 6. I'd rather keep it at that for a while to build our military, and build settler later.
Lahore should be fine with Aqueduct in 7 turns, then growth the turn after.
All new cities are building workers, we don't have nearly enough. I think it was a mistake not to build more workers from our 5 cities (Hindsight: Worker>Temple>Worker>Wonder)
City planning in the east: Smash Tlatelolco and build one tile north. Smash Tlaxcala and build one tile north or northwest. Build on the tip. Archer and warrior can prevent Aztecs from settling on the forest before Lahore expands. (I'd rather not have to replant the forest)
Forbidden Palace in Calcutta?
We need more military. A short war against the Byzantines may be best before a major war against the Aztecs.
BNH is up
Methos on deck
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PreTurn- Everything looks great. I agree about using that settler later. We can build over a Byzantine site.
IBT- Bombay Worker->Worker. Kolhapur Barracks->Horse.
Turn 1(330BC)- Just worker movements.
IBT- Aztecs settle on the game in the north. Nothing I could do there. Have to retreat our units from there.
Turn 2(310BC)- Mathias' math was wrong. We get 7 shields wherever we put citizens because of the corruption. It would get 9 w/o any. Sell Incas Theology for 24gpt and 130g.
IBT- We love the Mahatma day is almost everywhere. Palace expands. Byzantines start GL.
Turn 3(290BC)- Meet Persia. They are down Lit, Currency, Monarchy, and Construction.
IBT- Karachi Horse->Horse. Hyderabad Worker->Worker. We need to get that place clear of Aztec culture, or it will flip. China starts GL. America starts GL.
Turn 4(270BC)- Persia just became a Republic. Not huge news but hey, its worth knowing. Nothing very important, GL in 7.
IBT- Bombay Worker->Worker. Bengal Worker->Worker. Chittagong Worker->Worker.
Turn 5(250BC)- There is war out there. See injured Babylon units and Incas are moving through there. Persia has hurt AC also.
IBT- Persia is attacking Babylon. Punjab Worker->Worker.
Turn 6(230BC)- Nothing special.
IBT- Madras Cathedral->Sistines. Lahore Aqueduct->Great Lighthouse.
Turn 7(210BC)- Gems are connected. Lower lux to 20%. Raise research to 60% so we get in Education in 2.
IBT- Nothing.
Turn 8(190BC)- Edu in 1.
IBT- Education->Music Theory. In 7 @ 70%. Bombay Worker->Worker. Calcutta Cathedral->FP. Karachi Horse->Horse. Inca started Sistine.
Turn 9(170BC)- Nothing but movements.
IBT- Persia/Babylon battles.
Turn 10(150BC)- Nothing.
GL next turn, so we got it. Build Sistines in the same town right away. Hanging Gardens in 3.
Pretty quiet turns. I want our elephants to ride soon
We have 21 workers to our 13 towns. Thats almost enough, maybe 2 workers per town?
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/math04_150BC.SAV
IBT- Bombay Worker->Worker. Kolhapur Barracks->Horse.
Turn 1(330BC)- Just worker movements.
IBT- Aztecs settle on the game in the north. Nothing I could do there. Have to retreat our units from there.
Turn 2(310BC)- Mathias' math was wrong. We get 7 shields wherever we put citizens because of the corruption. It would get 9 w/o any. Sell Incas Theology for 24gpt and 130g.
IBT- We love the Mahatma day is almost everywhere. Palace expands. Byzantines start GL.
Turn 3(290BC)- Meet Persia. They are down Lit, Currency, Monarchy, and Construction.
IBT- Karachi Horse->Horse. Hyderabad Worker->Worker. We need to get that place clear of Aztec culture, or it will flip. China starts GL. America starts GL.
Turn 4(270BC)- Persia just became a Republic. Not huge news but hey, its worth knowing. Nothing very important, GL in 7.
IBT- Bombay Worker->Worker. Bengal Worker->Worker. Chittagong Worker->Worker.
Turn 5(250BC)- There is war out there. See injured Babylon units and Incas are moving through there. Persia has hurt AC also.
IBT- Persia is attacking Babylon. Punjab Worker->Worker.
Turn 6(230BC)- Nothing special.
IBT- Madras Cathedral->Sistines. Lahore Aqueduct->Great Lighthouse.
Turn 7(210BC)- Gems are connected. Lower lux to 20%. Raise research to 60% so we get in Education in 2.
IBT- Nothing.
Turn 8(190BC)- Edu in 1.
IBT- Education->Music Theory. In 7 @ 70%. Bombay Worker->Worker. Calcutta Cathedral->FP. Karachi Horse->Horse. Inca started Sistine.
Turn 9(170BC)- Nothing but movements.
IBT- Persia/Babylon battles.
Turn 10(150BC)- Nothing.
GL next turn, so we got it. Build Sistines in the same town right away. Hanging Gardens in 3.
Pretty quiet turns. I want our elephants to ride soon
We have 21 workers to our 13 towns. Thats almost enough, maybe 2 workers per town?
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/math04_150BC.SAV
I assume you are referring to Karachi:BigNHuge said:
Center: 2f 1s
Forest+Game: 3f 2s
Mined BG: 2f 2s
Mined Grass: 2f 1s
3x Forest: 3f 6s
Total: 12f 12s
Net: +0f 10s
Absolutely not. Bangalore must first build Cathedral and Library, if not more cultural improvements before another wonder.BigNHuge said:
Selling Theology was a serious mistake.
Hyderabad will not flip. CAII doesn't even show a culture flip chance for this city.
My brother has my CD, so I have only looked at the save in CAII.
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Mathias said:
Then just build it in Delhi. Or cash rush cathedral and library, then go towards it.
Sorry about selling Theology. I didnt think about it, just trying to generate us $$$. Our only threat there is Inca now anyway. Plus, not that I did it for this reason by any means, but dont you want some sort of challenge in this game? If for some reason we dont get it, we can put all its shields into another wonder.
I never meant that Hyderabad would flip because I saw it in CAII, Im just saying if a temple is built around there in an Aztec town, its gonna get pressured. Thats all I meant.
IMO one of our biggest mistakes in this game would be to not build the cultural improvements early enough. I have dropped science research to 10% in order to earn 123 gpt. I plan on short-rushing or rushing most improvements to get them built sooner. Many of our cultural cities are building wonders and with only a single cultural improvement built. My apologies as this slows down our research, but DBear02 looks like a 20k loss because cultural improvements were ignored in favor of wonders.
Pre-Turn: MM Delhi to get HG in 2 turns rather than 3. Madras switches to University after short-rushing a coliseum. MM Bangalore to emphasize more food. Will still get the GL in 1. MM Calcutta to get +5 food. Lahore switches to Library (short-rushes granary). Set slider to 7/1/2.
IT: Bangalore GL>Library. Kolhapur Horseman>Horseman. Jaipur Galley>Galley. Cascade switched everyone to either the Great Wall or Sun Tzus.
130 BC IT: Delhi HG>University. Incas are building Sistine.
110 BC: Bangalore rushes Library.
IT: Bangalore Library>Cathedral. Lahore Library>Coliseum.
90 BC: Wines are connected. Set slider at 8/1/1
IT: Karachi Horseman>Horseman. Hyderabad Worker>Worker.
70 BC: Bangalore short-rushes a granary.
IT: Bengal Worker>Worker. Chittagong Worker>Worker.
50 BC IT: Bombay Worker>Worker. Madras University>Coliseum. Bangalore Cathedral>University. Punjab Worker>Worker.
30 BC: Lahore short-rushes a marketplace to get a Coli in 2.
10 BC IT: Lahore Coliseum>University.
10 AD IT: Karachi Horseman>Horseman.
30 AD IT: Delhi University>Sistine. Bombay Worker>Worker. Madras Coliseum>Marketplace.
50 AD: Bangalore short-rushes Coliseum to get University in 6.
-Noticed a settler fortified in Kolhapur!?! Next player dont forget about him. Whats he doing anyway? Waiting for our attack on the Byzantines?
-Cultural improvements still needed are:
Bangalore: Coliseum and University (done in 6)
Calcutta: Coliseum and University
Delhi: None
Lahore: University (done in 18)
Madras: None
I did not change Calcutta as I wasnt for sure how soon we wanted the Forbidden Palace.
-We might also switch Madras to Palace soon.
-If preferred the slider can be moved to 60% to get Music Theory in 4 turns. My apologies for my stunting research but I felt getting these improvements built was more important. All the libraries and universities should help catch us back up in research.
-Currently Madras is working an unimproved grassland tile. Leave it for 1 turn and than switch to the forest. This will allow growth in 3 with no wasted food.
-The two workers on the right side of the pic below are heading to the mined bg as indicated. If we switch that to watered we can bring the water on down through the plains, to the bg, and than to the plains below the bg. This will allow Punjab to work more hills.
-I have begun irrigating this valley so that Chittagong, Bengal, and Jaipur can be more productive. This will allow them to work the mountains more. I suggest we water everything within my yellow indicator.
-There is a worker switching the watered cow near Delhi to a mine. Delhi is currently at +1 food (wasted) and 24 spt. Once the watered-mine switch is finished well be at zero growth and 25 spt. If we move the palace to Madras Im unsure how this will change though.
-Other than worker production Im finding Bombay is wasting space. I suggest we remove this city soon.
Out of curiosity I decided to see if my stunting research to build culture was worth it.
@150 BC:
49 cpt with 1690 gathered. Estimated win date 2906 AD.
Bangalore: 4 cpt
Calcutta: 8 cpt
Delhi: 20 cpt
Lahore: 5 cpt
Madras: 12 cpt
@50 AD:
87 cpt with 2400 gathered. Estimated win date 2361 AD.
Bangalore: 16 cpt
Calcutta: 10 cpt
Delhi: 31 cpt
Lahore: 12 cpt
Madras: 18 cpt
IMO it was definitely worth it. I hope I didnt screw things up.
Here's the save.
Roster:
Mathias
Methos- Stunted research, upped culture
nerovats- Up
namliaM- On Deck
BigNHuge
Pre-Turn: MM Delhi to get HG in 2 turns rather than 3. Madras switches to University after short-rushing a coliseum. MM Bangalore to emphasize more food. Will still get the GL in 1. MM Calcutta to get +5 food. Lahore switches to Library (short-rushes granary). Set slider to 7/1/2.
IT: Bangalore GL>Library. Kolhapur Horseman>Horseman. Jaipur Galley>Galley. Cascade switched everyone to either the Great Wall or Sun Tzus.
130 BC IT: Delhi HG>University. Incas are building Sistine.
110 BC: Bangalore rushes Library.
IT: Bangalore Library>Cathedral. Lahore Library>Coliseum.
90 BC: Wines are connected. Set slider at 8/1/1
IT: Karachi Horseman>Horseman. Hyderabad Worker>Worker.
70 BC: Bangalore short-rushes a granary.
IT: Bengal Worker>Worker. Chittagong Worker>Worker.
50 BC IT: Bombay Worker>Worker. Madras University>Coliseum. Bangalore Cathedral>University. Punjab Worker>Worker.
30 BC: Lahore short-rushes a marketplace to get a Coli in 2.
10 BC IT: Lahore Coliseum>University.
10 AD IT: Karachi Horseman>Horseman.
30 AD IT: Delhi University>Sistine. Bombay Worker>Worker. Madras Coliseum>Marketplace.
50 AD: Bangalore short-rushes Coliseum to get University in 6.
-Noticed a settler fortified in Kolhapur!?! Next player dont forget about him. Whats he doing anyway? Waiting for our attack on the Byzantines?
-Cultural improvements still needed are:
Bangalore: Coliseum and University (done in 6)
Calcutta: Coliseum and University
Delhi: None
Lahore: University (done in 18)
Madras: None
I did not change Calcutta as I wasnt for sure how soon we wanted the Forbidden Palace.
-We might also switch Madras to Palace soon.
-If preferred the slider can be moved to 60% to get Music Theory in 4 turns. My apologies for my stunting research but I felt getting these improvements built was more important. All the libraries and universities should help catch us back up in research.
-Currently Madras is working an unimproved grassland tile. Leave it for 1 turn and than switch to the forest. This will allow growth in 3 with no wasted food.
-The two workers on the right side of the pic below are heading to the mined bg as indicated. If we switch that to watered we can bring the water on down through the plains, to the bg, and than to the plains below the bg. This will allow Punjab to work more hills.
-I have begun irrigating this valley so that Chittagong, Bengal, and Jaipur can be more productive. This will allow them to work the mountains more. I suggest we water everything within my yellow indicator.
-There is a worker switching the watered cow near Delhi to a mine. Delhi is currently at +1 food (wasted) and 24 spt. Once the watered-mine switch is finished well be at zero growth and 25 spt. If we move the palace to Madras Im unsure how this will change though.
-Other than worker production Im finding Bombay is wasting space. I suggest we remove this city soon.
Out of curiosity I decided to see if my stunting research to build culture was worth it.
@150 BC:
49 cpt with 1690 gathered. Estimated win date 2906 AD.
Bangalore: 4 cpt
Calcutta: 8 cpt
Delhi: 20 cpt
Lahore: 5 cpt
Madras: 12 cpt
@50 AD:
87 cpt with 2400 gathered. Estimated win date 2361 AD.
Bangalore: 16 cpt
Calcutta: 10 cpt
Delhi: 31 cpt
Lahore: 12 cpt
Madras: 18 cpt
IMO it was definitely worth it. I hope I didnt screw things up.
Here's the save.
Roster:
Mathias
Methos- Stunted research, upped culture
nerovats- Up
namliaM- On Deck
BigNHuge
