Matt's Mormon Thread
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What Christ said was that he fulfilled the Law of Moses, which the apostles (especially Paul) interpreted to mean that Christians no longer had to follow the provisions of the Mosiac law. There was (and still is among Christians) some debate as to what teachings and commandments in the Old Testament were part of the Law of Moses and no longer needed to be followed, and what was inherent. Thus the Ten Commandments are still considered valid (with different ideas of whether the rule on the 'Sabbath day' meant Saturday had to kept holy or not) but the laws of sacrifice, or of havibg sex during menstruation, usually aren't.
Merzbow
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If one accepts latter-day revelation one doesn't have to respond to the arguments of evangelicals who like to throw quotes from the Bible with other quotes from the Bible - one can simply say that God has updated his word, just as God updated the word of the Old Testament with the words of Jesus. Of course it helps if the new beliefs don't blatantly contradict what's in older scriptures, but it's not necessary.
That's the part that I think a lot of people don't get. They see any modern revelation as not being equal to what was given 2000 years ago, even though it is in a modern context. The issue isn't whether God is capable of saying more - He always spoke throughout history, why stop now? The real question is whether what we claim to bve moderb revelation really comes from God.
Sir Bugsy
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So I suppose you are going to forgive yourself?ironduck said:
King_Antonius
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lol I'm well a Mormon I guess you could say. I am baptized in the LDS church and am part of the Aaronic priesthood. All though I haven't gone to church in a year and I don't agree with some of the church's beliefs. You could probably say I am a very very liberal Mormon/non-denominational Christian. Although I do get pissed at a lot of people who criticize Mormons. lol But I try and ignore them.
holy king
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why has this thread gotten a new name?
It hasn't. This is the first Mormon thread..way back before I went on my mission. Eran's Mormon Thread III is the current edition.
general_kill
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Is the book of Mormon the foundation of Mormonism?
If so, then how do you account for clear DNA, archaeological, and linguistic evidence that all point the ancestry of Native Americans to North Eastern Asians/Siberians? As far as genealogy, language similarity, cultural similarity, and everything else is concerned, Native Americans are descendants of Asians. Did Israelites somehow forget their heritage, bleach their DNA, and completely altered their appearance between the time they landed in America to the time Europeans came in contact with the Americas?
Since all the stories in this book of Mormonism is based on the existence of Lamanites and other "descendants" of Israelites, does the fact that these descendant never existed disprove those accounts? And if those stories never existed, did the prophet Smith not lie and deceive his followers by claiming he discovered gold plates written by non-existent fictional characters?
Many Mormons tries to find excuses around concrete scientific data and consensus by claiming God is merely tasking the faith of his followers by changing the DNA make up of native Americans, but I hope that excuse is too silly for even the least open-minded Mormons. It's Christian church claiming the Sun still orbits the Earth but God is merely making it seem like we orbit the sun to test our faith. If you use that excuse, you can explain ANYTHING away.
If so, then how do you account for clear DNA, archaeological, and linguistic evidence that all point the ancestry of Native Americans to North Eastern Asians/Siberians? As far as genealogy, language similarity, cultural similarity, and everything else is concerned, Native Americans are descendants of Asians. Did Israelites somehow forget their heritage, bleach their DNA, and completely altered their appearance between the time they landed in America to the time Europeans came in contact with the Americas?
Since all the stories in this book of Mormonism is based on the existence of Lamanites and other "descendants" of Israelites, does the fact that these descendant never existed disprove those accounts? And if those stories never existed, did the prophet Smith not lie and deceive his followers by claiming he discovered gold plates written by non-existent fictional characters?
Many Mormons tries to find excuses around concrete scientific data and consensus by claiming God is merely tasking the faith of his followers by changing the DNA make up of native Americans, but I hope that excuse is too silly for even the least open-minded Mormons. It's Christian church claiming the Sun still orbits the Earth but God is merely making it seem like we orbit the sun to test our faith. If you use that excuse, you can explain ANYTHING away.
Chazumi
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Do mormons really believe that their "missions" are providing a service for humanity? I mean, I know most converts come from missionaries, but, one convert from 2,000 knocks at a door, vs. 1,999 people pissed off being approached to change their beliefs and reaffirming negative opinions of mormons, is it worth it? What is the deal?
I grew up in Utah. Seen hundreds of missionaries. Went to school with 90% mormon rates. I still hate missionaries. Why do they continue to reaffirm my hate with their campaigns?
I grew up in Utah. Seen hundreds of missionaries. Went to school with 90% mormon rates. I still hate missionaries. Why do they continue to reaffirm my hate with their campaigns?
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The current thread is: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=224203&page=30
We'll try to answer as best we can over there.
