McCain introduces Enemy Belligerent Act

[JollyRoger]

Check your pocket Constitution, there is an old pickpocket lurking around trying to swipe it:

An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2) in a manner which satisfies Article 5 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities

A individual who is suspected of being an unprivileged enemy belligerent shall not, during interrogation under this subsection, be provided the statement required by Miranda v. Arizona(384 U.S. 436 (1966)) or otherwise be informed of any rights that the individual may or may not have to counsel or to remain silent consistent with Miranda v. Arizona.

http://www.legitgov.org/enemy_belligerent_act_2010.pdf

Just crazy stuff right there. Even if you can hold your nose to avoid the stench of unconstitutionality, think of it practically. An American is detained and is supected of being an unpriviliged enemy belligerant (ueb). He is not read his Miranda rights before interrogation to determine if he actually is an ueb. It turns out that he isn't, but merely a very dangerous criminal. Guess what? You have just statutorily botched the prosecution because any statements he made during the interrogation can be supressed.

 

[cardgame]

And to think, I thought McCain was sane...

 

[Bill3000]

And to think, I thought McCain was sane...

He has a primary coming up.

 

[Kozmos]

Well now Dave Mustaine will have to write more songs and guitar solos.

 

[Quackers]

My respect for John McCain is now zero. What a totalitarian.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

detain mccain

 

[Joecoolyo]

detain mccain

I agree with this motion.

 

[Karalysia]

A fine piece of legislation. Aren't you sad that we never elected him President?

 

[MobBoss]

Just crazy stuff right there. Even if you can hold your nose to avoid the stench of unconstitutionality, think of it practically. An American is detained and is supected of being an unpriviliged enemy belligerant (ueb). He is not read his Miranda rights before interrogation to determine if he actually is an ueb. It turns out that he isn't, but merely a very dangerous criminal. Guess what? You have just statutorily botched the prosecution because any statements he made during the interrogation can be supressed.

Botched in civilian court. How about military courts martials or tribunals?

 

[Cutlass]

McCain's being challenged by right wingnut extremist. So he needs to be more wingnuttish himself to head off the threat.

 

[CaptainF]

This sort of blatant stupidity and authoritarianism no longer surprises me.

Freedom is an illusion, privacy is a delusion. Welcome to tomorrow.

 

[Bill3000]

Botched in civilian court. How about military courts martials or tribunals?

I'm surprised you don't know this, mister military paralegal.

 

[JollyRoger]

Botched in civilian court. How about military courts martials or tribunals?

Military court martials or tribunals for a non-military U.S. citizen that doesn't fall into McCain's uab definition? Thanks, but no thanks. Leave that nonsense for the bananana republics of the world.

 

[mariogreymist]

In all fairness, at least people detained under the Geneva Conventions would be documented and the government accountable to the Red Cross, UN and other international watchdog agencies. The status quo has the Obama administration continuing the secret detentions of its predecessor; a practice which is not reconcilable with a democratic society. As long as that is going on, we don't live in a democracy, because we simply cannot know that political prisoners are not being held.

 

[Quackers]

This sort of blatant stupidity and authoritarianism no longer surprises me.

Freedom is an illusion, privacy is a delusion. Welcome to tomorrow.

don't worry i don't think it will pass at all.

 

[MobBoss]

I'm surprised you don't know this, mister military paralegal.

Why do you assume I didnt know the answer to the question I was asking?

I was asking if Jolly knew....hehe.

At least you gave a much better answer than the attorney did. Good job!

 

[CaptainF]

don't worry i don't think it will pass at all.

It's not just this, it's a societal trend.

 

[h4ppy]

Don't see what's so bad about this, provided that the standards of being an enemy belligerent are strictly defined and strictly kept.

 

[Karalysia]

Don't see what's so bad about this, provided that the standards of being an enemy belligerent are strictly defined and strictly kept.

I agree, we should be free to strip US citizens of their Miranda rights, and their right to a trial based on suspicion and arbitrary definitions. Constitution, hah who cares about that? Inalienable rights? Lol wat is that?

 

[illram]

What is this, Italy?