Medieval reskin shop

[embryodead]

@Ajidica
Thanks, I'll hopefully get to a stage when there's some substance to talk about soon, I'll let you know.

@TheCapo
That's Ak Koyunlu - I guess I can post it but I got it from CFC I think... somewhere, don't remember where.

 

[The Capo]

Thanks a lot.

 

[embryodead]

It was a tedious job but not too difficult at least - I copied the rider animations from Companion Cavalry to Camel Archer KF's to get these:

Download in the 1st post. I'll do Camel Gunners next.

 

[ambrox62]

Who is able to introduce new animations is a great modder

 

[The Capo]

That's awesome, great work. Keep it up.

 

[Bakuel]

The new camel animations are awesome embryodead!

 

[The_Coyote]

great work! I always was too lazy to do is (i know what you had to do, so i know the amount of work you put into this), i only bone transplanted a camel to a horse to acheive something similar (similar sounds quite too good for my result ).

I´m sure you made some persons really glad with this

 

[embryodead]

Thank you all There's one problem however, it wan't obvious at first but my camel riders were still using archery sounds, at least partially. I corrected the problem in the KFs and re-uploaded the zip file. So if you got the file before 26-05-2010, 03:00, you might want to re-download.

I aslo updated the first post with two camel gunners, with correct sounds this time.

 

[avain]

These are all excellent! Keep up the innovation!!!

 

[GeoModder]

VERY cool work there, embryodead.

 

[The_J]

I see new possibilities for some UUs out there...

 

[The Capo]

Pretty awesome, and will be very useful to me. Great work.

I have something of a challenge/request for you though.

It would probably be best to do a few different versions of this one, but I think a Camel Cataphract would make a good UU for many civs, and could serve as a nice flavor unit for middle-eastern civs. It is difficult to find pictures, but here is one with some armor I think would work:

Camels are generally slower and less maneuverable than a horse, but they are easier to travel around long distances with, and the rider sits higher (because Camels are taller than horses), so there are some advantages to it if used correctly. Basically all you'd have to do is give a spear attack animation (or I suppose you could use the sword too) and throw some armor on the animal.

You game?

 

[Valkrionn]

I'd just like to say, I absolutely love your camel units. I had been using those by The_Coyote for the Malakim civilization in my FfH modmod, but those you made look quite a bit more like the original Camel Archer.

Will likely have to add a Camel Arquebus UU now....

Camels are generally slower and less maneuverable than a horse, but they are easier to travel around long distances with, and the rider sits higher (because Camels are taller than horses), so there are some advantages to it if used correctly. Basically all you'd have to do is give a spear attack animation (or I suppose you could use the sword too) and throw some armor on the animal.

You game?

One large benefit of camels you neglected to mention: Horses HATE their smell. If used correctly, camal-mounted cavalry is very effective against a standard cavalry.

 

[embryodead]

From what I've read, Camel Cataphracts are kind of semi-fictional. There is one mention of them in Roman sources, apparently Bactrians used them but without success - the camel's self-preservation is too high to perform a suicidal cavalry charge and its hooves are soft and easily damaged.

That being said, it's not an argument against making the unit, it's quite interesting in fact. I wanted to say no at first since because I can't make the armor - I just combine other people's work really. However, I think I've seen a seperated frontal armor model somewhere, I'll see if it can be fitted on a camel. If that works, the neck and head armor would be just painted on the skin, while spear attack can be transplanted from some horseman unit.

There two other "fusion" units I wanted to make - Mounted Javelinman & Mounted Crossbowman. Correct me if I'm wrong - at least I think those are missing - I thought I found the Mounted Javelinman in TAM but it turned out to be a horse archer / placeholder.

 

[Bakuel]

You would make a lot of people (or at least just me) very happy if you make Mounted Crossbowman and Mounted Javelinman animations!

On the camel cataphract graphics, it is very easy to meld armor to the camel graphics in blender and would give it a cleaner look then attaching it in nifscope. If you want I could do it for you, it is really only a ten-twenty minute job.

 

[ambrox62]

I found the Mounted Javelinman in TAM but it turned out to be a horse archer / placeholder.

I never did the mounted javelinner unit, but I planned to do it instead. The mounted javelinner wasn't a real historical unit in the ancient mediterranean, thus it has been removed from TAM. It might be a very cool animation for american native instead, especially for the wonderful CJ units.

I planned to make these animations starting from the persian immortal ones, because it's quite simple to introduce a VisController in the strike anims. I've no time to do it now, then I hope this tip could help you in such task

 

[ambrox62]

There two other "fusion" units I wanted to make - Mounted Javelinman & Mounted Crossbowman.

There is a third important fusion to make: a egyptian two-men chariot with archer instead of spearman. It is a REAL historic unit that several people required in the past

 

[embryodead]

I never did the mounted javelinner unit, but I planned to do it instead. The mounted javelinner wasn't a real historical unit in the ancient mediterranean, thus it has been removed from TAM. It might be a very cool animation for american native instead, especially for the wonderful CJ units.

I know nothing of ancient warfare really though I remember a lot of picutres/references to Greek and Scythian mounted javelineers at least (Hippakonistas?) and I was sure at least medieval Moors/Berbers used them, not to mention Europeans (i.e. thrown lances in Bayeux Tapestry)? I'm asking because it kind of questions whether I should use them myself

I planned to make these animations starting from the persian immortal ones, because it's quite simple to introduce a VisController in the strike anims. I've no time to do it now, then I hope this tip could help you in such task

I was thinking more along the lines of copying transform controllers from javelineer KFs, but that's an alternative I guess, thanks.

 

[ambrox62]

I was thinking more along the lines of copying transform controllers from javelineer KFs, but that's an alternative I guess

Obviously the jav kfs are a better solution, but the immortal could be a really quick solution, using the strikeA as close combat anim (unchanged) and strikeB as range combat anim (setting the VisController at tick 0.350 approx). Just an option, as you said.

 

[embryodead]

On the camel cataphract graphics, it is very easy to meld armor to the camel graphics in blender and would give it a cleaner look then attaching it in nifscope. If you want I could do it for you, it is really only a ten-twenty minute job.

Thanks, I'd be grateful because Blender is just beyond me... the armor I found is here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9133 but so far it doesn't look like camel-compatible at all.