Mode of girls.

[Narz]

I don't think women are any better or worse at keeping a clean room than men.

In my experience women are just as sloppy as men but they will judge other's sloppiness more.

 

[Mango Elephant]

Surely, you're joking? Doesn't your mother care about clean rooms?

She doesn't care that much. I've brought plenty of guys to my very messy room and none of them have said a word about it. It never occurred to me that a girl would be more likely to be put off.

Well cleanliness = high status. I think it depends on the age bracket. Women between 25-35 are the worst I think. Before that they're just curious & want to explore, late thirties to early forties is the best as they're super horny & know how they like it.

Appearance means healthy babies.

In this day and age that's mostly rooted in obsolete instinct, but I guess I see your point.

Men want hottness, women want security, both these primitive desires are superficial.

I disagree. Security is a deeper sense of fulfillment than hotness.

If a man is with an ugly woman, his sense of satisfaction wouldn't be lessened by anything other than his disappointment in her ugliness.

If a woman is with a man who can't provide security, she worries, her health is lessened, she eats worse, and there are other consequences, too.

Therefore, women don't want security for security's sake, they want security for benefits that actually physically affect her environment and health.

Of course relationships are built upon mutual sexual attraction as much as confidence which is as transitory as looks.

I don't mean confidence in a sexual manner. Confident men do better at their jobs, have more friends, probably make more money, and are better at getting what they want. On the other hand, shy men are less likely to be successful and therefore can't provide as well.

Come to New York City.

I wish haha.

 

[Borachio]

She doesn't care that much. I've brought plenty of guys to my very messy room and none of them have said a word about it. It never occurred to me that a girl would be more likely to be put off.

She might not worry about your room. I would guess she doesn't have a lot of choice in the matter.

But how clean are the toilets in your house? And who cleans them?

(Ah, I guess you probably have a Mexican maid to do that work. So forget that line of inquiry for now.)

And if the guys that you take to your messy room never say a word about it, doesn't that tell you that men, including yourself, don't care about it at all?

The corollary being that women probably do care about it more. I mean, they could hardly care less, could they?

 

[Mango Elephant]

She might not worry about your room. I would guess she doesn't have a lot of choice in the matter.

But how clean are the toilets in your house? And who cleans them?

(Ah, I guess you probably have a Mexican maid to do that work. So forget that line of inquiry for now.)

And if the guys that you take to your messy room never say a word about it, doesn't that tell you that men, including yourself, don't care about it at all?

The corollary being that women probably do care about it more. I mean, they could hardly care less, could they?

That makes sense. It's just never occurred to me to think about girls and cleanliness before.

 

[Zack]

Your argument doesn't make very much sense, Borachio:

1. Mothers want their children to have clean rooms.

2. Mothers are women.

3. Therefore, women are better at keeping their rooms clean than men.

EDIT: And I've found a woman's bathroom can be very messy, especially the sink area.

 

[Borachio]

Well, it's less of an argument than an observation, I think.

There's absolutely no reason why men can't keep rooms as clean as women can.

I just don't see them doing so.

 

[Zack]

Well, it's less of an argument than an observation, I think.

There's absolutely no reason why men can't keep rooms as clean as women can.

I just don't see them doing so.

You keep using the anecdote of a mother imploring her children to keep their rooms clean as evidence.

 

[Borachio]

Do I? I must be losing my mind. I don't ever remember saying anything of the sort.

I keep doing it, you say? This is one big surprise to me.

I must stop it immediately.

 

[Goodfella]

Women are somewhat cleaner. There's a reason the guys' bathroom is covered in pubic hair and urine while the worst thing in the girls' room are notes on the bathroom stalls. But my dad's always the one hounding people for not being neat. And after seeing the way my sister (22) and her 22-year-old roommates lived, I don't know if I'd ever think of women as being neat.

 

[Narz]

I disagree. Security is a deeper sense of fulfillment than hotness.

If a man is with an ugly woman, his sense of satisfaction wouldn't be lessened by anything other than his disappointment in her ugliness.

If a woman is with a man who can't provide security, she worries, her health is lessened, she eats worse, and there are other consequences, too.

Therefore, women don't want security for security's sake, they want security for benefits that actually physically affect her environment and health.

I still don't think it's that different. When a man has a hot wife/girlfriend/date his confidence is raised, people treat him differently, he feels like more of a man. This is unfair of course but such is life, much of success & confidence is also unfair (certain men have genetic & upbringing advantages). Both looks & confidence can be upgraded thru self-care.

I don't mean confidence in a sexual manner. Confident men do better at their jobs, have more friends, probably make more money, and are better at getting what they want. On the other hand, shy men are less likely to be successful and therefore can't provide as well.

Not necessarily, a shy man can be a millionaire recluse book writer. Intro/extroversion, like looks is largely genetic & just like men are attracted to a wide variety of body types women are attracted to a wide variety of personality types. I frankly find overconfident people irritating & I imagine most mature women do as well.

I wish haha.

Well, if you ever make it lets hang out.

EDIT: And I've found a woman's bathroom can be very messy, especially the sink area.

Are you a janitor or a pervert (or both)? Edit : nm, you said "a woman's" not "the women's".

 

[Harv]

Well cleanliness = high status. I think it depends on the age bracket. Women between 25-35 are the worst I think. Before that they're just curious & want to explore, late thirties to early forties is the best as they're super horny & know how they like it.

Narz, your advice sounds more relevant to me than to the OP. I think your kid is older than the OP, but that just my guess.

 

[Bootstoots]

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