[Modmod]Sunset of Civilization

[Leoreth]

you're a true parody of communism

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

Here's my To Do List:

• 
  [*]Merge my Scaling Garrison Unhappiness Modcomp
• Debug "recently" posted saves:
  • PinkPallin
    [*]black213
  • Enyavar
  [*]Make Knossos and Carales spawn semi-randomly
  [*]Make only the first ever Golden Age a civ experiences spawn a bunch of units instead of all of them
  [*]Fix Railroad (and Highway) movement
  [*]Increase the Legendary culture threshold to 100k?
  [*]Move the deadline for Italy's culture goal forward
• Fix the game crashing on winning by UHV for many civs

There, now I only need to wait for Leoreth to fix the UHV crashes and get to the bottom of PinkPallin's and Enyavar's savegames' issues.

Anyone have any last minute suggestions before the official release? I'm curious if collapsing from foreign instability is as pervasive a problem here as it is in DoC. I did come close in one game but managed to pull through. Perhaps the "free" Golden Ages are sufficient to keep civs a bit more stable than they are in DoC.

 

[1SDANi]

There, now I only need to wait for Leoreth to fix the UHV crashes and get to the bottom of PinkPallin's and Enyavar's savegames' issues.

Anyone have any last minute suggestions before the official release? I'm curious if collapsing from foreign instability is as pervasive a problem here as it is in DoC. I did come close in one game but managed to pull through. Perhaps the "free" Golden Ages are sufficient to keep civs a bit more stable than they are in DoC.

Leoreth made a big change to the foreign instability formula so I don't know if it's even a pervasive problem in DoC anymore.

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

Leoreth made a big change to the foreign instability formula so I don't know if it's even a pervasive problem in DoC anymore.

I know, that's why I'm asking. I'm wondering if I should go ahead and copy that change.

 

[1SDANi]

I know, that's why I'm asking. I'm wondering if I should go ahead and copy that change.

Oh. Your phrasing made me think you didn't know about it.

 

[Enyavar]

Hey, I just won a Monarch Russia game - with only 5 Friendly Communist nations instead of 6.

That was really weird. England and US were friendly even before they reached Central Planning by themselves. I then gifted techs (towards CP) and used Great Statespeople to align Germany, Canada, Italy, Japan and Turkey. My spies then switched these nations into central planned ones, but Germany and Italy remained only pleased. My next planned step was to retreat from Vienna so the borders issue would stop with Italy and Germany; and also complete the switch with Turkey and if they also were impossible to get Friendly, convert Mexico. So: England, USA, Canada and Japan were socialist friendlies, and after turning, I had won. The diplomatic stance of both Germany and Italy didn't go up either.

The problem is not necessarily in the Sunset module, but I report it only here. Could be undocumented convenience (2 Pleased nations = 1 Friendly, that should be a thing) or counting Canada twice because it is vassal to Germany, or something else?

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By the way, do you already have a formula for Foreign Stability? In this game I'm posting, I have 5 Friendly, 5 Pleased, 4 Cautious, 4 Annoyed civilizations... no one is angry, but foreign stabiltity is at -2. I know all the details how this is calculated, but I'm hoping for a change in that formula either by Leo or you.

 

[Enyavar]

Another note from the future.
I remember from DoC that you could send Satellites everywhere on the map and they look as far as planes do (5 tiles around the unit).
In SoC you can only station Satellites in a city and they have a sight of two tiles.

 

[Enyavar]

And as the leader of Indonesia, I'd like to complain about a Super-Golden Age I received shortly after the start (normal speed, Monarch, play until 790 AD).

Within one single turn, my military strength tentuplifies. I'm now testing if this is enough to crush the Khmer as they start. [ Edit: It is. ]

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

Hey, sorry for the long response time, I really do appreciate all your feedback.

Russian UHV stuff

May I ask which commit you are using for that game? I can't open the attached save.

By the way, do you already have a formula for Foreign Stability? In this game I'm posting, I have 5 Friendly, 5 Pleased, 4 Cautious, 4 Annoyed civilizations... no one is angry, but foreign stabiltity is at -2. I know all the details how this is calculated, but I'm hoping for a change in that formula either by Leo or you.

Didn't Leoreth recently fix foreign stability calculations? I was wondering if I should go ahead and copy those or not.

Another note from the future.
I remember from DoC that you could send Satellites everywhere on the map and they look as far as planes do (5 tiles around the unit).
In SoC you can only station Satellites in a city and they have a sight of two tiles.

Is this true for DoC 1.16 or was it something he recently implemented in the development version?

And as the leader of Indonesia, I'd like to complain about a Super-Golden Age I received shortly after the start (normal speed, Monarch, play until 790 AD).

Within one single turn, my military strength tentuplifies. I'm now testing if this is enough to crush the Khmer as they start. [ Edit: It is. ]

Yeah, that was an oversight by me, but it's been fixed in one of my past commits.

I'd encourage you to update your version.

 

[Leoreth]

Satellites are unchanged since 1.16.

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

Satellites are unchanged since 1.16.

Indeed. I started up a game in 1.16 and apparently @Enyavar is mis-remembering. Perhaps it was @1SDAN 's modmod where you could move and scout with Satellites?

 

[Leoreth]

Satellites should have the same recon mission that all air units have.

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

Satellites should have the same recon mission that all air units have.

They don't, though, neither in DoC nor my modmod.

Since I was digging through the code anyway I found the culprit:

bool CvUnit::canRecon(const CvPlot* pPlot) const
{
    if (getDomainType() != DOMAIN_AIR)
    {
        return false;
    }

    if (airRange() == 0)
    {
        return false;
    }

    if (m_pUnitInfo->isSuicide())
    {
        return false;
    }

    return true;
}

Satellites have an airRange of 0, so...

 

[Leoreth]

They don't, though, neither in DoC nor my modmod.

Since I was digging through the code anyway I found the culprit:

bool CvUnit::canRecon(const CvPlot* pPlot) const
{
    if (getDomainType() != DOMAIN_AIR)
    {
        return false;
    }

    if (airRange() == 0)
    {
        return false;
    }

    if (m_pUnitInfo->isSuicide())
    {
        return false;
    }

    return true;
}

Satellites have an airRange of 0, so...

Strange, I am very certain I tested and used it before. Maybe it got lost in another change? I'll look into it.

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

Strange, I am very certain I tested and used it before. Maybe it got lost in another change? I'll look into it.

I only tested it in the release version, maybe you fixed it in development already.

 

[1SDANi]

Indeed. I started up a game in 1.16 and apparently @Enyavar is mis-remembering. Perhaps it was @1SDAN 's modmod where you could move and scout with Satellites?

I cannot say I remember ever modifying anything to do with Satellites.

 

[Leoreth]

No, as I said, I didn't touch this since release.

 

[1SDANi]

After looking into it, Satellites cannot move outside of cities in DCR

 

[Nyayr]

Noticed running a few check runs the AI Romans in this modmod often found orthodorx in 5-7th centure BC, catholicism before 0 and Islam 300's-500's... If they not ravaged by the barbarians that is...

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

After looking into it, Satellites cannot move outside of cities in DCR

What's DCR? And can they or can they not perform a Recon Mission there?

Noticed running a few check runs the AI Romans in this modmod often found orthodorx in 5-7th centure BC, catholicism before 0 and Islam 300's-500's... If they not ravaged by the barbarians that is...

Curious, in my experience Rome never seems to amount to much and it's Persia and Greece who run away in tech. At any rate, getting the tech rate working right has been a major concern of mine recently, especially in the Classical to early Medieval time frame.

Also as a general heads-up, I'm gonna postpone the official release until after Leoreth has released his patch for 1.16 and I have merged that in and playtested a bit. Since my next project is a complete revision of the tech tree that serves me just right as there's plenty of preparing I can do just with a spreadsheet and Wikipedia.