More colonial resources and general map changes

[BenZL43]

Since spices often represent tea and tobacco currently (at least that's my impression considering their presence on Java, Cuba and SE Asia)

We do not (yet) use Coffee or Tobacco to seasons the foods lol but that seems

Edit: This is my 6666th post

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P.S
How about the river tiles?
My suggestion of a more realistic Nile?
The recent suggestion about the river in Berlin.. dunno what it's called.. Danube?
J Pride's idea to enlarge the Balkans?

Also,
I think the Krakatoa mountain should be removed.. Not just it affects Jakarta, its also not that important, anyway.

Jakarta/West Java has never been producing Coffees (consuming, yes ).. Why don't you put Rice there? West Java is full of Rice paddies...

1 Tobacco on the northeastern most tile of Sulawesi.. represent the Rokok kretek (dunno the English translation.. Clove Cigarettes?) from the nearby Spice Island..

 

[Jusos2108]

Leoreth: In the first picture (the one of Brazil) why move the coal one tile West? That tile is pretty much exactly where I settle Sao Paolo 100% of the time

(unless I'm reading the map wrong)

I couldn't agree more, the new fish would also be unreacheable for Sao Paolo unless it is moved 1E. Building a city in Brazil that is not on river, is like settling Arguim with Portugal's other starting settler.

 

[killerkebab]

I thought Portugal usually founds Sao Paolo on the current coal tile?

It often does. In older RFC versions, the tile where the coal currently is was Sao Paolo, and the tile one West of that (on the river) was called Curitiba. Then Rhye made a slight change in one of the more recent versions. Now both tiles are Sao Paolo so you can settle it on the river...

Back when people didn't share all their modmods of RFC and you kinda had to make your own if you wanted to change a few things I set up resources almost identically to you in Southern Brazil (no tea/coffee though, I'm not a modder ) except that fish was one tile West.

Fish are a useful way of showing large population centres in the late game. They're common (fish are everywhere, right? you wouldn't be confused if you saw a fish resource near most shores), they don't break game balance (since pretty much everyone has them anyway, having more doesn't change the game too much) and they provide a lot of food meaning you can add them near large modern cities in the late game so that you don't end up with cities like Montevideo being the world's most populous

 

[Jusos2108]

I am proud to say that I initiated that the change of Curitiba to Sao Paolo.

 

[Leoreth]

It often does. In older RFC versions, the tile where the coal currently is was Sao Paolo, and the tile one West of that (on the river) was called Curitiba. Then Rhye made a slight change in one of the more recent versions. Now both tiles are Sao Paolo so you can settle it on the river...

Back when people didn't share all their modmods of RFC and you kinda had to make your own if you wanted to change a few things I set up resources almost identically to you in Southern Brazil (no tea/coffee though, I'm not a modder ) except that fish was one tile West.

I know, I read the thread where you proposed it just before compiling my changes. So in a way, they're actually your changes after all

Didn't know Rhye actually renamed Curitiba as was suggested in this thread. I'll revise my changes accordingly.

 

[Mef]

(2) IMHO Brazil does not need more supercity sites - it is already very strong. With your changes it will be so strong that controlling it can be game-winning. That is not historical at all. Case is similar with India. For your proposed changes to not disrupt balance (I already scramble for Brazil as England, America, and Russia per the old map), the resources need to spawn gradually and later.

Well, Brazil is the 'strongest' of the South American nations and has a lot of potential (which during Brazil's history has been tapped into at times, e.g. under Pedro II, or has gone to waste, e.g. in the early 20th century under a military dictatorship).
I think it's correct that it has a lot of potential in the game too.
If you rule wisely, owning Brazil will make you very powerful. Nothing wrong with that.

P.S
How about the river tiles?
My suggestion of a more realistic Nile?
The recent suggestion about the river in Berlin.. dunno what it's called.. Danube?
J Pride's idea to enlarge the Balkans?

The Danube is the river that goes from Germany to the Black Sea.
The river in Berlin is the Spree, a tributary of the Elbe.

Can you link to the Balkans suggestions? I thought about that too, here's my idea:

Note the move of Athen's clam to get it out of Miletos' reach.
I took one fish away from Constantinople.. don't know if they really need that much food.

I actually just noticed something: I did my suggestion (left) with the 600AD map, the original (right) is the 3000BC map. As you can see, the right map does not only have the mountain on Belgrade, which I removed, it also has a mountain one tile SE! This mountain isn't there in the 3000BC version. What's up with that?
The 600 version has that Anatolian wheat moved too...

Edit: Actually, as far as 'colonial resources' and Constantinople go. They could have (if not in place already) a silk resource spawn on their tile in 550 AD, when they became the only Europeans to learn (or steal) the Chinese secret of silk production.
From there it later spread to Lucca, Venice and Krefeld, but I don't know if silk in Europe is a good idea.

 

[strijder20]

I also think that rice should get +1. Maybe you have to eat more of it, but you can get more rice per square kilometer than you can get wheat/corn... Or at least it was so in the past.
Also, I'm very glad to see more different types of colonial resources! But won't this reduce happiness problems for the Europeans, buffing them?

 

[Leoreth]

I don't think this is the case. All of them are quite rare, for example, before it spreads to the New World coffee is only available to three civs for example, and I don't think the Europeans will be one of them. More happiness for successful colonists is only fair, imo. It will become more difficult to hold on to South America in the future, though.

Don't know about the Balkan suggestions, especially moving Constantinople doesn't sit well with me. I'll have a look into the discrepancies between both maps, maybe I messed up there early on.

 

[killerkebab]

I like the changes on the Balkans, except:
- I don't like that you can go from Europe to Asia without crossing Constantinople
- Constantinople needs the food if it is to have a chance at being the world's most populous city in the earlier stages of the game
- Where's Sarajevo!? (ignore this one )

 

[Mef]

Here a proposal with Constantinople unmoved and a 'city map' added:

I like the changes on the Balkans, except:
- I don't like that you can go from Europe to Asia without crossing Constantinople
- Constantinople needs the food if it is to have a chance at being the world's most populous city in the earlier stages of the game
- Where's Sarajevo!? (ignore this one )

All fixed in my new proposal

 

[Fresol]

On the difference between the 3000 BC and 600 AD maps:
1) What happened to the clam near Trabzon in the 600 AD map?
2) Can you move the wheat west of Ikonion to be along the river? It was in the 3000 BC map.
3) There's a jungle tile on the northwestern-most of Sumatra in the 3000 BC map, while in the 600 AD one it's a forest. Can you make them the same? (forest preferably)

 

[BenZL43]

IDK if I can find the J'Prides Balkan suggestion.. nor did I am sure whether it had been proposed or just a brainstorms..

Also, IIRC it happened before the Great Schism of DoC into multiple threads like this..

 

[Niceboat]

My comments:

1 Please change the La Plata river and its tributaries. Something like this would be more realistic.

2 Why Buenos Aires over Montevideo? I believe it should be encouraged that both are built, BA on the tile south of the river and Montevideo on the grass tile without access to a river. Maybe move the fish so it can only be reached by Montevideo?

3 If you want to make Colombia more interesting, you should think about removing the jungle from Bogota (the left one of the two new Coffee tiles), putting the coffee on a neighboring tile and adding one more food resource for the city (maybe move the corn in the west up?). After all, Bogota is really populous.

4 If you want move the overwritten cow, Los Angeles could use some food...

5 No tea in Darjeeling? What! Two tea resources in Bengal wouldn't be wrong.
Spieces in Ceylon is an obvious choice, I'd rearrange the other spices like this.

6 Concerning China, I think it would be wise to move the rice and deer in the middle down one tile so they are out of Luoyang's reach. The new tea would have to be moved.

7 Java: maybe remove the mountain to enable settling Jakarta?

8 Los Angeles: move the second fish to within its reach?

9 Something that has bugged me for a long time is that Oman doesn't have any incense. They deserve it and it would help Portugal's Muscat. Maybe move the Incense from Yemen there?

quite agree with you！

 

[civ_king]

Ceylon also grew tea, perhaps initially it could be Spices and iron (wootz steel anyone?) and later the iron becomes tea

 

[iOnlySignIn]

What about Slaves? Anybody else wants to see the Slave resource and Triangular Trade?

Or are we all too politically correct for that here?

 

[Fresol]

It's not like things will get done all by themselves you know?

 

[Mef]

What about Slaves? Anybody else wants to see the Slave resource and Triangular Trade?

Or are we all too politically correct for that here?

I'd like to see as much new stuff in the game as possible, so why not.
It would make Africa more attractive for colonial powers.

BTW, why doesn't France get coastal Mali cities when building the Trading Company and why isn't Quelimane on Portugal's list of colonies that can flip to them?

 

[King Coltrane]

i absolutely want to see the slave trade implemented. its such an important part of history that it shouldnt be left out. plus it could work well as an alternative to the trading company, or possibly in conjunction with it. it should have diplo penalties for all african civs as well as all civs that have "emancipation" (bring it back in some way?) however, it could provide HUGE production bonuses as well as possibly doubling or tripling city growth, or possibly free citizens, etc. there are many options to go with, but i think it should be implemented in some way.

 

[SeekTruthFromFacts]

The Indian teas are in the wrong place. This map confirms my memory that the so-called "Darjeeling" tea should actually be further northeast, in Assam. The Indian teas should either appear about 1836 or require a technology transfer from China (what about a Tea Culture technology...?).

I'm also confused about why lowland Burma has tea. It is not a historic tea growing area. It should have a rice where you put the tea: until recently Burma was one of Asia's major rice-exporting areas, so Rangoon should ideally have two rice resources (one for itself+1 for export).

 

[Kraizer]

What about Slaves? Anybody else wants to see the Slave resource and Triangular Trade?

Me.

1) Adds a new trading resource, this time a production based one (new civs etc should account for this.)

2) Makes Africa a more unique/lucrative place to colonise.

3) Gives way for unique events and votes (abolishing slavery event anyone?)

4) Interesting Possibilities (as King Coltrane said, it could add production or add a free citizen, which could make it a very unique resource.)

5) Massive historic importance.

6) Certainly the Mali will be allot more likely to be taken over, and we will hopefully see the second French empire more often.