I just promised Kalt'zar I won't start it soon.........
Hmm his new "divisions" militay idea gave me thoughts of a WW2 NES
How would that be?
I want a 1911 NES!
You do realize that the alternative is a complete dystopia, right?
You do realize (
) that you are persisting in the same error? What is a dystopia from your viewpoint is not neccessarily so from mine.
That aside, one of the alternatives to stagnation and dissolution is cultural and political reinvigoration (the first thing that comes to my mind is that it will be along "Neoroman" (for America)/pan-European (for Europe) and imperialistic (for America)/socialist-technocratic (for Europe) lines, but there are, as always, many alternatives) that is only likely after a particularily bad shakeup AND with a suitably visionary leader at hand. Another alternative is general collapse and isolationism in a few decades/centuries. Or perhaps a nuclear armaggedon. Or maybe enemy occupation. I tell you this as an althistorian, damnit - there are MANY alternatives, not just two!
Morality is still waiting for an answer, and you have failed to provide one.
Somehow I don't see the relevance of that link to genocide, Hitler or dolphins.
Yes, there are such things as values. What a surprise. But different people have different values. Not to mention different cultures. A quote from the text:
Johnson's Western Islands said:
'That man is little to be envied, whose patriotism would not gain force upon the plain of Marathon, or whose piety would not grow warmer among the ruins of Iona.'
Should a Chinese man's patriotism gain force upon some plain in Greece? Mine didn't at the Masadah, even for all of my ethnic ties with the Jewish people. Should an Aztec priest's piety grow warmer among the ruins of some old Scottish monastery? It might, but frankly I doubt it, except in the proselytizing sense perhaps.
Lewis is speaking about the danger of asentimentality. I agree with that. But can you expect one specific thing, one specific deed to be perceived in exactly the same way by different people, especially if they were brought up in different cultural traditions? People are different, cultures are different, viewpoints are different, values are different. There are no such things as "universal moral values" - there are different moralities everywhere. Hitler had his own morality - it involved destroying the existing order. Pechorin's morality involved manipulating people for his own benefit. Savinkov's morality involved individual terror as the method to combat what he preceived as injustice and tyranny. And so on (one can also guess from this what books I am reading, or was reading recently
). If we assume that silver2039 is indeed serious, his morality involves killing and tormenting people with whom he doesn't agree. At least he's being honest about it. Myself, I believe that for a greater goal, all means are ultimately acceptable. Killing is unpleasant, and could be distasteful, but a pragmatic approach must be taken for success and if the optimal solution involves killing certain people, very well then.
Furthermore, re-read the source:
I had sooner play cards against a man who was quite sceptical about ethics, but bred to believe that 'a gentleman does not cheat', than against an irreproachable moral philosopher who had been brought up among sharpers.
So would I. All this
theoretic morality - whether Hitler's, yours, silver's or my own - isn't worth much. The
practical one does matter. That's one of the few things that one has to admire Hitler for - his theoretical morality and his practical morality were quite similar to each other. That's a rarity. Ofcourse, people who believe themselves, like Hitler did, do tend to be mentally ill, whether they are pacifists who really would turn the other cheek or raving "Hitler loving kill freaks" as Israelite9191 put it who really would start killing people. Whether insanity is "bad" or "good", and whom exactly do the walls of the mental asylum defend (the people inside or the people outside) are different questions altogether, ofcourse.
Conclusion - honest, trully moral, virtuous people who don't deceive themselves are a menace to society and should be locked up somewhere far, far away. Or, at least, be monitored very carefully.
2. Find me one legitimate religion/ethical system where killing is endorsed and I will consider that maybe you Hitler loving kill freaks have a pont.
Depends on definition of legitimate. Technically under your cherished democracy all religions are legitimate, so... I won't have to look far.
That and I don't like Hitler myself. Too metaphysical, too sentimental. I'm a Stalinist, actually.
other groups based on racial inequality beliefs.
Was Satanism based on the principle of racial inequality?
But, as Dachspmg said, we should stop the spam.
Panda (?) - penguins
Alex - panda bears
Wrong. alex994 used to have penguins, but later betrayed them, eventually luring in the pandas. But Panda protested, and thus the Great Panda Schism begun. Alexandrine Pandas and Insane Pandas continue to exist in a state of extreme tensions now.
Let's ALL take an animal avatar!
Gladly, if you find a good polar bear one. I've been thinking about that, really, but keep forgetting and am yet to find a good polar bear avatar anyway.
Going back to the update...
