Multipolarity II - Game Thread

[Osmowstroyer]

You only can expand with the number of armies you have. Everybody has 5, so the limit is 5, AFAIK.

O RLY? But ( hey I am still a newbie)

SonicTH: You can expand anywhere that borders you, or if you have a navy, can expand to coastal tiles too.

So? Please someone teach me!

 

[Jehoshua]

Hanna Antilles XVI presumably.

alternatively its a clone, with the memories of the original Hanna implanted into its soft, impressionable, brain.

 

[NinjaCow64]

That's not exactly how it works. The thing is, property rights are the defining rule. You can do absolutely anything on property you own. However, you can't cross property borders without permission of the owners. And if they do allow you to cross borders, you usually have to follow whatever rules they lay down while doing so. Have a disagreement between two people? Make an agreement, or agree together on a judge to rule between you based on common sense. Can't agree on that? Well then, if you go onto that person's property, you will be an outlaw, and they can legally kill you.

Normally, people voluntarily bring this to the community level. So a given town will usually have a common system of regulatory rules applying for that whole town. Take abortion. That town may agree that abortion is never allowed in that town. Now, you could still have an abortion on your property, but then you will be an outlaw, or be taken to court, if you go anywhere else in that town, since those areas, even though they are shared in common by the town voluntarily for roads and whatnot, technically belong to other people, people who have agreed to the proposition that abortion is wrong.

Of course, laws vary from place to place based on voluntary associations. But it is appropriate to say that having an abortion does greatly reduce your travel opportunities in Somalia. This is because property is private, and most people think abortion is murder, and so will not allow a person who does such a thing to travel through their land.

Okay, this way your system isn't as crazy as I first thought. The Formatting Crew assumes, however, that "court" would translate to in most cases "bunch of angry people who will decide wether to kill you or not". And we still think your laws regarding abortion and terrorism are pretty backwards, but at least you are not the society that would collapse in two seconds now.

The only real exception is the capital city and the farmland around it. That land is owned personally by King Domination I, who personally sets the rules for anyone who chooses to live in the capital. There are some other wealthy corporations who form corporate towns under similar logic, allowing people to live on the land if they follow the rules decided by that corporation.

Wow, that sounds a lot like a Corporate Dictatoriship! Not that we have anything against benevolent dictatorships, we just find it interesting. Please continue.

That might seem bad to you, but the reality is, there is a lot of choice in Somalia based on voluntary associations. The general rule in towns is that a town wiill adopt a rule if four of five citizens agree to it, and it will be enforced throughout the town. Nobody is forced to follow it if they choose to opt out and stay on their own land, or form a separate town with the dissidents. This happens all the time.

In normal countries your choice is follow the law (Which is usually monolithic nationwide) or leave, even leave your own land. In Somalia, your right to your personal property is ALWAYS respected.

So your country is more like a loose collection of city states with slightly varying laws and customs? That makes a lot more sense.

In fact, crime is extremely low here, and guns rarely used. The deterrent value is usually sufficient. In fact, the main reason we carry weapons anymore is because of imperialist rogue states like the Empire of China, to ensure an occupation would never succeed. Live Free or Die!

I wouldn't call the Empire of China a Imperialist Rogue State. You almost fit the bill for dealing with vile terrorist organizations such as Mandatum, which would probably break the laws of most of the towns in your country anyway. For that, we must keep the embargo on you.

We aren't going to stop them. They can leave if they want to, that's your right. Will you take our outlaws off our hands while we're at it so we can save the monetary cost of paying bounty hunters to go kill them?

No. Your country's system of governence isn't as broken as we thought, so we will not take your outlaws. We're switching back to a classic embargo system.

Oh, we forgot to note

@Ailedhoo- We offer trade with everyone without exception, no matter the consequences, but given our current internationally dubious status, we could not possibly allow you to train our men to join your organization. Nor would they want to anyways. Somalians have a real knack for liking the free life over anything else.

I find it interesting that you would want to restrict the work oppurtunties of your free state. It seems like a bit of a double standard from down here.

 

[Dem Taqat]

O RLY? But ( hey I am still a newbie)

SonicTH: You can expand anywhere that borders you, or if you have a navy, can expand to coastal tiles too.

So? Please someone teach me!

You expand by entering the province with an army. Armies can travel to anywhere that borders you, or sail to other coastal territories on a navy. However, armies can only expand one province per turn when claiming peacefully, which is what you are doing. Thus you are effectively limited to 5 provinces per turn until you build more armies.

Your armies can move one province per turn...if claiming peacefully

DT

 

[Krzowwh]

Heyre Takrur accepts all legal offers of trade presented to it thus far.

 

[Tani Coyote]

Announcement A:

BSmith pointed out that VLT's position was not listed on the map. Remedied, one industry point awarded.

Announcement B:

Order locking will be delayed, hella homework in need of doing. Won't really be in a capacity to GM until Friday night.

Announcement C:

I just realised that embargoes have zero effects on states with no tariffs. I have remedied this by applying a one-time 1% hit per embargo. Not particularly devestating, but if you can get a large number it can hurt quick. Cumulative embargoes follow the rule of 0.99^x, where x is the number of embargoes. Dommy's been hit with 5 embargoes, so 0.9509900499 will be applied to his industry.

The penalty is applied AFTER spending.

Announcement D:

Bonuses of course given to Topsecret and Dem Taqat as thanks for sparing me the need to clarify.

But what the heck why not - you can claim as many provinces as you have armies each turn; you can move one tile in every direction unless you're going overseas in which case you must land forces on the coast.

 

[JohannaK]

So more embargoes= less penalty?

 

[filli_noctus]

I believe what Tani is trying to say is that it's a multiplier applied to the industry of the embargoed nation.

 

[Tani Coyote]

So more embargoes= less penalty?

It's to make it impossible to wipe out a nation's industry completely. If it was just a flat 1% per embargo rather than an exponential value, hilarity could swiftly ensue.

An embargo by 116 of the world's 117 nations would result in a multiplier of 0.31 being applied. You'd lose 69% of your economy. So, not too shabby.

 

[NinjaCow64]

So his industry rate would be multiplied by 0.9509900499? Excellent.

You're going DOWN, terrorist helper!

 

[JohannaK]

Ah well, that was a misunderstanding. My apologies, gentlecolts.

 

[mayor]

Could someone give me the basic outlines of what is going on?
I haven't much opportunities to read all of it so that would help me a lot.

(I will read up on it when I have a possibility, obviously )

 

[Double A]

Dakka.

 

[christos200]

Could someone give me the basic outlines of what is going on?
I haven't much opportunities to read all of it so that would help me a lot.

Somalia trades with Terrorists and China embargoes them.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Oh, we forgot to note

@Ailedhoo- We offer trade with everyone without exception, no matter the consequences, but given our current internationally dubious status, we could not possibly allow you to train our men to join your organization. Nor would they want to anyways. Somalians have a real knack for liking the free life over anything else.

So you cannot allow us to recruit by will? Are you a anarcy or not? If you are a anarcy then we are permitted to train your populace to be members of Mandatum...

Nevermind. We will conduct recruitment without your constent. O and anyone feeling endangered with life in Somalia are welcomed to get a free pass out via Mandatum's smuggling network in return for a oath of loyalty to Mandatum and to seek a job within Mandatum. We will still trade but we are going to distance ourselfs if need be.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Ailedhoo, I don't want to be a grammar nazi, but please use an an instead of an a when you have a word that starts with a vowel after the an/a. Sorry.

 

[Jehoshua]

ooc: What can we say, he is a formatic

 

[Double A]

Adding on to Ninja, anarchy.

 

[NedimNapoleon]

The FRoC sent orders no need to worry

 

[GhostWriter16]

So you cannot allow us to recruit by will? Are you a anarcy or not? If you are a anarcy then we are permitted to train your populace to be members of Mandatum...

Nevermind. We will conduct recruitment without your constent. O and anyone feeling endangered with life in Somalia are welcomed to get a free pass out via Mandatum's smuggling network in return for a oath of loyalty to Mandatum and to seek a job within Mandatum. We will still trade but we are going to distance ourselfs if need be.

OOC: This is the excuse we needed

IC: Ron Paul's voice has finally been heard by King Domination I. King Domination has stressed that his willingness to trade with all, recognized as "States" or not, would be allowed and trade agreeements signed.

However, we will not accept any breeches of our soveregnty. The Tribal Leaders had a meeting in the capital today and agreed that none of the voluntary compacts that have been made wanted their children recruited into a suspect organization of this sort. The King has also realized that allowing such a thing, however similar it might be in morality to a mere national draft allowed in so many countries, cannot possibly be permitted given the international community as it now stands.

By Executive Order, with permission of the Tribal Leaders, King Domination I officially Breaks the trade agreement with Ailedhoo. We are sorry that we have to do this, but you guys are manipulating our internal affairs just as much as we were. If you had been more honest in your dealings, perhaps we would have accepted the international hit to deal with you. But you have shown an unwillingness to do so.

The Somalian League of Sunni Islamic Imams (SLSII) has issued a joint statement saying that in spite of their willingness to use bounties and low tactics to deal with the Empire's Imperialist actions, they agree that trade with Ailedhoo's rogue group is no longer beneficial to the nation, and those who are identified with their mosques are being urged not to enter any dealings with them, and are told that joining their organization will lead to being outlawed in their communities, and thus no longer welcome.

The lone exception to this is the Fundamentalist Islamic Association (FIA) who are much more radical and have little issue with terrorism anyways. While the royal army will not hunt them down on their land, they have been outlawed virtually everywhere else in the country except in the villages they control, and thus they are essentially under blockade in their home towns. The Crown considers this the highest punishment possible for their actions in a free society, and so assures the international community they are not getting off lightly.

This is not a change in our policy regarding "Rogue states." We don't really care who the UN recognizes as "Terrorists" and who is not. Most states also kill their own citizens, and far more of them. However, Ailedhoo has interfered with Somalian soveregnty, and we aren't going to trade with people who do that to that extent.

Ron Paul, King Domination I, "3000" (Leader of SLSII), and Bill Gates XXVII have issued a joint statement requesting that the embargoes against us be lifted.