Multipolarity II - Game Thread

OCP clearly has former Londoners working for it.

Unless you prove otherwise, you're clearly metagaming. :rolleyes:

If you're going to cry about it, by all means, buy a tissue. OCP offers very absorbent tissues at an incredibly low price.

Don't worry, save the tissues for Partitionania. I'd be crying too if I only had one province left, and my opponents army was 10x my size. (and if, even with a corporation's help, I was still getting destroyed)
 
Don't worry, save the tissues for Partitionania. I'd be crying too if I only had one province left, and my opponents army was 10x my size. (and if, even with a corporation's help, I was still getting destroyed)

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Sweet God, what have I walked in on? I walk away for a few hours and everyone is at eachother's throats!

I concur that technically, OCP shouldn't have access to London's documents. However, as Son points out, some high ranking Londoners may be working for them. Would explain their ability to suppress revolts. So, I'll consider such legitimate.
 
Given that I assimilated almost the entire Partitionanian nation, I should get a large boost to industry, nuke tech, ballistics, and such. I mean after all, I captured most high ranking Polish officials. Whatever survivors are left will die this turn.

I'd also like to check all the documents I seized from their capital and outlying provinces.

Thanks.
 
Actually, it's perfectly logical you didn't capture high ranking officials. Since most would be in Helsinki, and given there is 2 years between updates there is plenty of time for them to relocate to a new city to lead the resistance by just taking a boat across the bay. Same thing with most documents.
 
I have to assume that my KGB did their job, as well as my entire military and air forces marched without resistance.

When I say without resistance, I mean I literally hopped onto the roads and drove to your capital.
It caught you off guard (you didn't prepare at all for the war, or you would have not gotten caught with your pants down when I waltzed in with 2 dozen regiments).

Thus I conclude that you weren't prepared to evacuate your personnel and your documents.

Thus also, your policy of "Partitionania will never surrender! We'll always pull through! We have allies! You can't take us down! Never give up!", very similar to Hitler's rants at the the fall of Berlin, that doesn't exactly say much about your preparedness.

In fact, I assume you wouldn't have evacuated anyone, knowing that you chose to fight and die rather than accept any peace, or tried at all to preserve your nation. Hell if anything, you armed your officials and sent them off to die.

As the benevolent USSR, I'm sure there were some fleeing officials that joined the winning side when they saw that in a few years their entire country was overrun.

Only makes sense.
 
Found in Nueva Brasil's Digital Files.

[The following recording is between a unknown official in Brazilian leadership, and a currently undiscovered party. The Brazilian official speaks first.]

"Well, it looks like we have successfully infiltrated the enemy and..."

"Silence, you fool! Do you want anyone recording this to know our plans? All we've worked for, and you would throw it away."

"Yes, yes. Of course I don't want that." [A chair is pulled up in the background.]

"Go ahead, sit. While you sit and gloat, anyone could intercept this message. Though it seems that our spy network is as safe as any other in the world. Terrorists could be anywhere."

"Are there any here?"

"Well.. In fact- Nevermind. Now, what have you found that is so important?"

"Huh? Oh, I've discovered that this country right here is planning to build nuclear warheads. And this country here is planning to massively increase their spy network."

"Hmm... well, you know what to do; now, what can we do to increase our spy network?"

"We need to recruit a Super Agent. Someone out there has one, and we need one for defense, if nothing else."

"Sounds difficult. I hope you can manage it with your weak intelligence; in the meantime, here is something for the education of our spies."

"Thank you. Any other orders for me?"

"No. That is all. Do not mess anything up, or you won't live to regret it." [A door opens, then shuts quickly.]

"Why did I ever get into business with this man?"

End of File
 

This is presumptuous and assumes I will grant such requests.

A simple relaying of PMs has really spiraled out of hand. This is getting ridiculous. A few high-ranking officials whose nation is defunct defecting to a newly-founded corporation is just a wee bit different from high ranking officials defecting to their sworn enemy.

Thus, I am formally requesting the term "metagaming" not be uttered any further, by ANY parties. Son's corporation has already been adjusted due to its willingness to engage in politics, so I consider this issue resolved.

I mean after all, I captured most high ranking Polish officials

If RS has not said you have, then I won't agree on this. And he has not. I consider RS' point valid, furthermore.

Furthermore, I'm issuing a GM clarification on "assimilation." The Finno-Poles are still Finno-Poles. They are killing your troops and destroying your industry in terrorist attacks each turn. The vast majority of folk are intimidated into complacency. Not actively rising up does not mean you are assimilated... are citizens of a dictatorship avid supporters of the regime just because they're smart enough to not openly challenge it?
 
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And I request my newspaper be made into some sort of roleplay value, I spent time on it :)

This is presumptuous and assumes I will grant such requests.

A simple relaying of PMs has really spiraled out of hand. This is getting ridiculous. A few high-ranking officials whose nation is defunct defecting to a newly-founded corporation is just a wee bit different from high ranking officials defecting to their sworn enemy.

Thus, I am formally requesting the term "metagaming" not be uttered any further, by ANY parties. Son's corporation has already been adjusted due to its willingness to engage in politics, so I consider this issue resolved.



If RS has not said you have, then I won't agree on this. And he has not. I consider RS' point valid, furthermore.

Furthermore, I'm issuing a GM clarification on "assimilation." The Finno-Poles are still Finno-Poles. They are killing your troops and destroying your industry in terrorist attacks each turn. The vast majority of folk are intimidated into complacency. Not actively rising up does not mean you are assimilated... are citizens of a dictatorship avid supporters of the regime just because they're smart enough to not openly challenge it?


I'm just saying - the worlds largest and most advanced military invades your country. In one move, a large part of your country DEFECTS to the invaders.

Defects! Willingly!

And then imagine your leaders talking of forces that will come and save you! Funds from foreign investors pour in, and you see thousands of willing recruits join the armies, ready to take on the Soviet threat.

Bolstered by forces from Rome, London, and new recruits, you feel that victory is within your grasp.

Then the next turn, Soviet forces amass in a legion unparalleled on the earth. They crush all defending forces, and sweep through the countryside. New recruits, eager to defend their country, are suddenly in the front lines fighting a losing battle. A majority of them are slaughtered.

Now you're among the few Finno-Poles who sit in their last province, surrounded by Prussian/Soviet controlled waters, with the USSR to your north, and the USSR's ally, Prussia, to your south.

And you tell me people wouldn't defect. The USSR's army outnumbers yours practically 10 to 1. Their navy eclipses yours. Their airforce is considerably larger as well.

They have shown that they have nukes. Given all this, it goes without a doubt there'd be some officials who would defect to the USSR government, if only out of fear. The terrorists are certainly willing to take matters into their own hands, but when you have your entire country reduced to one small province manned by a few haphazardly trained recruits.

Gee, that just seems demoralizing to me. The leaders of Partitionania can spew forth pro-Partitionania propaganda as much as they want, but defeat is painfully obvious.
 
~Another one bites the dust~
 
/gets out the popcorn.
 
Mandatum Report on the Soviet Issue
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Written by the Chief of Ideas: Vito Di Caprio

Our recent relationship with the USSR has gone open as the understanding we had with them be lost. It is primally the stealing of Crimea from our control that leaded to our breakdown and their failure to hand it back on grounds we "were not doing enough for them," it is clear hence that the USSR and of there tool...

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Patriotic_Fool said:
Ailedhoo said:
To Stalin

Mandatum is not pleased that our supposed freinds, the USSR, has taken control of our primal client. It is a request that you correct this at once. Have the goverment swear loyalty to Mandatum. Mandatum wants it state back. Consider this a turning point in our relations: it could be positive or negative.

May you pick the wisest option and give back to Mandatum what is Mandatum's

Hector Murray, the General Director of Mandatum

P.S. I will await the information on the biological weopons nation you want me to steal from... presuming of course you hand that which must given back. We of Mandatum cannot operate for your well if you do not give back our puppet state.

Why didn't you tell me????

I thought we were on good terms. I am currently paying filli noctus all the money from that state, because he got it for me.


Mandatum had given full information on the USSR to the UN already and we request they publish the reports in the offical UN area or at least permit us to commence a series of publishings there. The crimes of the USSR against the UN, the world and Mandatum has been noted. Nations that recieved the information are adviced to publish the infromation. We must note that the USSR is a force that even criminal organisations like Mandatum are not amused of.

Since the USSR has declared to destroy our bases in the USSR and Crimea we issue all personal in those areas for evacuration. We can not give note that they may escape the craws of the Stalinist monster but the OCP's promise to aid the recovery from the tragic occurence will ensure we will have the means of getting revenge.

General Director Hector Murray has hence declared vendetta against public vendetta against the USSR.

We issue all nations to do there part against the USSR. We suggest that the USSR is removed from the UN, its access to "anti-terror" organisations denied, as many nations as possible join up against the power that seeks to upset the balance of power. Hence isolative nations need to join to or the USSR will in time turn on them. Mandatum issues this on notions of our dealings with the USSR in the past.

The USSR is a threat. They must be delt with.

In relative news General Director Hector Murray has issued the termination of this "President of Mandatum" that seems to be blundering in the diplomacy department and trying to uphold themselve as above the General Director.

Focus well and we will win against the Stalinist swine!

We are Mandatum. We are vengence.
 
OOC: I gotta say that filli has the highest quality services. In one negotiation he liberated Crimea into Soviet hands and liberated Norway.

Mandatum hasn't done much all game because, quite simply put, they're incompetent.

I'm not really into dealing with terrorists, and I don't recall issuing any terrorist action all game. (I suppose if WMD sabotaging and tech stealing is terrorist, then maybe, but look at the 4-5 people who tech stole from me. If you factor out my current allies.. its quite easy to see the culprits.)

All in all, you don't get to evacuate. I'm setting armies and bombers to blow your bases to kingdom come this turn. I have plenty of spies at my disposal.

I hope I can wipe my slate clean by wiping Mandatum off the face of this earth.

And finally, I must say this. Any sort of "alliance" that I had with Mandatum is going to bite them in the ass. They chose the path of going against me (as can be seen in sonereal's post, where they report my WMD sabotage request to sone himself). I, in my little experience with terrorists, let them set up shop in the USSR.

Oh the delights of seeing those same bases burn. It will be glorious.

In addition, I'll be able to free the hundreds of income worth in stocks that Mandatum was stockpiling over the years.

OCC:

Note all the above was out of character, and was more of a personal comment on ailedhoo's group. It shall not be used to convict me in anything, yada yada, blah blah blah, etc..

They picked the wrong Commie to mess with :)

In character:

Our recent relationship with the USSR has gone open as the understanding we had with them be lost.

This "understanding", does it include the fact that you infiltrated the USSR and her neighbor, Crimea, and reported our private requests to the enemy who planned on unleashing biological weapons on us?

You are a foolish organization indeed, and the USSR will search and destroy every last base you own. You cannot evacuate, you cannot move, you cannot run.

We will find you, and we will cripple your pathetic get-together to a point where you'll never fully recover. Even Partitionania has put up more of a struggle than you have. You are too weak to make alliances up front, too weak to actually be successful, and now you will pay.

In the end, we're doing a world a favor by wiping you off the face of the earth. We suggest other nations follow suit and check their countries for Mandatum bases.
 
OOC: I gotta say that filli has the highest quality services. In one negotiation he liberated Crimea into Soviet hands and liberated Norway.

Mandatum hasn't done much all game because, quite simply put, they're incompetent.

I'm not really into dealing with terrorists, and I don't recall issuing any terrorist action all game. (I suppose if WMD sabotaging and tech stealing is terrorist, then maybe, but look at the 4-5 people who tech stole from me. If you factor out my current allies.. its quite easy to see the culprits.)

All in all, you don't get to evacuate. I'm setting armies and bombers to blow your bases to kingdom come this turn. I have plenty of spies at my disposal.

I hope I can wipe my slate clean by wiping Mandatum off the face of this earth.

And finally, I must say this. Any sort of "alliance" that I had with Mandatum is going to bite them in the ass. They chose the path of going against me (as can be seen in sonereal's post, where they report my WMD sabotage request to sone himself). I, in my little experience with terrorists, let them set up shop in the USSR.

Oh the delights of seeing those same bases burn. It will be glorious.

In addition, I'll be able to free the hundreds of income worth in stocks that Mandatum was stockpiling over the years.

OCC:

Note all the above was out of character, and was more of a personal comment on ailedhoo's group. It shall not be used to convict me in anything, yada yada, blah blah blah, etc..

They picked the wrong Commie to mess with :)

I confess: Mandatum was starting to not wish to do missions for you when you started to make warmongering plots. Hence we made our missions set to fail, plotting to set 1 agent to London to look like we were failing. Plus the talks on your promise of supplying us a 1tech nuke...

O well: your warmongering will kill you in the end while Mandatum has bases else where...
 
Ailedhoo, you never actually did a single thing for me. Not once.

OOC: I was so generous as to let you set up shop in my nation, but apparently you treated such generosity with betrayal. Any half-wit would have used the opportunity to make friends. As an NGO, your power is limited and you need to make connections and alliances.

You failed miserably on that part with me, so now I'm going to mop you up like the scum you are.

And forgive me, I wasn't aware that asking a supposed "friend" (a term you used often, yet it was direct lies to my face) to dismantle some WMD's was warmongering. Silly me.

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how mandatum feels right now, probably.
 
Since LH's will was that America be split in two and not dissolved, it is done.

In addition, I'll be able to free the hundreds of income worth in stocks that Mandatum was stockpiling over the years.

Odd. Purchasing those stocks from Crimea would, if anything, make you lose money. :confused:

Read: You're not getting them for free, sir. :p They were paid for with Crimean money, if at Mandatum's direction, and so, they're going to stay Crimean unless you pay full price.

And as your ally, I'm sure you wouldn't invade them to get the shares. And even if you did, they can always sign the ownership documents over to someone else out of spite. :p

Now, on a sadly more serious note:

I have been in correspondence with Thorvald.

Looking at the arguments for both sides, I have come to the following conclusions:

Thorvald's NPC embargoes are perfectly reasonable in the scope of human politics. When wars break out (which they do all the time), most nations do not even blink. Some might make a stand (the initial wave of embargoes), but most cannot be bothered. It takes serious escalation to motivate more nations to suddenly care. Genocide is generally a very good catalyst for further international action, and sure enough, implied acts of genocide are present in the Soviet roleplay; the potential use of nuclear weapons is not helping the issue either.

The NPCs' second wave of embargoes, therefore, is logical. That the USSR is close to victory is completely irrelevant. Iraq conquered Kuwait successfully; should the world have just accepted it? The rights of conquest are illegitimate in our world, and for the most part are in this one as well.

I will hold Thorvald to his word that if Kinich and AA do not make peace, AA will also face several starting embargoes. I consider the starting embargoes the states that actually have a conscious interest in peace, or are so close they naturally will be worried.

As such, I will need more compelling evidence that Thorvald is "biased," and will appreciate that no such accusations fly unless one has clear double standards that cannot be explained.

I consider myself - despite the running jokes of my being a sadist - to be fair and generous. Perhaps too generous. I am not issuing bans or kicks, despite petitions to the contrary.

What I am saying is, I will really appreciate it if such terms as "bias," "powergaming," and "metagaming" do not make it into common use. Their constant use makes me rather... disagreeable. The idea of penalising or banning players, quite frankly, leaves me feeling queasy. I want everyone to have fun - player, GM, observer - and I don't think getting at eachother's throats is helping this matter.

I said I would monitor Thorvald for any conflict of interest, any bias, etc. that one might be concerned about; overall I'd say he's done a fine job, and he has given good enough rationale for different actions. Never mind, mechanic-wise, things could be worse: I suspect the reason fewer folk have embargoed the USSR is because the NPCs are more or less in the hands of not just the Union of China, but Katterland and the 501st, via Philanthropy.

Alright then. I -think- I said everything that needs saying. So, everyone, please make up and behave. I -really- do not like bringing out the big guns, but if the situation mandates it (see my threat to ban folks from the UN a while ago) I most certainly am capable.

Anyway, have fun all. :)
 
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