blackheart
unenlightened
So does that mean we can invade New Jersey now and restore order?
My Dear New Jersey....Oh My Dear New Jersey
- Thread starter El Justo
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Blame Joisey's legislature also. Although the Assembly Speaker has been pushing for reduced spending (definitely not a bad idea), there'd be a whole other fight over what to cut, so the suggestion sure isn't helping things. At least Corzine has been camping out in the capital. But yes, the beaches and casions and such, as well as state workers, are caught in the crossfire. I wonder how big this will be when Corzine runs for re-election (if/when) in a few years.El Justo said:
The Governor of New Jersey?El Justo said:
Well he did earn himself a pretty penny in the private sector. That the current deficit can be fixed with a simple sales tax hike sounds like an enviable position to be in, actually, instead of having to yet navigate the protected projects of legislators. Though that will probably happen next year.
Being a rookie isn't necessarily a bad thing. Look what entrenched long-standing leaders have done to the state of New York (Pataki, Silver, and Bruno). Wrecked the government and even though we're finally out of the 20 years of late budgets, it's still a minefield that must be crossed every year.
His own party in the legislature probably has their own hides to look out for. I'm assuming they'll be up for re-election before Corzine will be.
Finally, maybe it's time to tell the state legislature to shove it. As has been said in the thread, they have been a great part of the mess that Jersey finds itself in.
Though I must say, shutting down the government the second the budget was late was very drastic. It's not like it was his only way out. And now it will cost the state some revenue.
I think you might have caught the Albany (NY) plague when it comes to state government.
Esox
In Search of Inspirado
Yeah, just have Tony Soprano and Christufuh run things. I'm sure we could trust 'em. Fuhgettaboutit.silver 2039 said:
Better yet, let the casino owners just run everything with no oversight whatsoever. All that cash wouldn't tempt anyone.
El Justo
Deity
man - what is it w/ the NJ bashing here? let it die man - i don't trash any other states. and i know it's a joke but it's a real, real old one. and please don't ask me what exit i'm from. i love my state so stop it - please.
nothing good can come out of this despite what some may say. if corzine thinks he can stand on his head and right the ship he's sorely mistaken. no one man can do that nor can one governor take it upon himself to balance a budget that has run in the red for decades.
sure, the bonehead earned a ton of coin in the private sector. however, he wasn't spending taxpayer dollars when he was w/ Goldman Sachs. my problem is that his actions appear reckless and he's jeopardizing the re-election of many of the state legislators. he's acting selfishly and refuses to budge which is the kiss of death in politics. although the best thing of all is that it will likely turn into a 1 term governor which is a-ok in my book.
i also don't want to hear him being applauded for standing up to the state legislators. that's crap. their responsibilities as elected officials is, imho, to work together for the COMMON GOOD of all and it's clear that the state senate ain't budging...so do something! now!!!
nothing good can come out of this despite what some may say. if corzine thinks he can stand on his head and right the ship he's sorely mistaken. no one man can do that nor can one governor take it upon himself to balance a budget that has run in the red for decades.
sure, the bonehead earned a ton of coin in the private sector. however, he wasn't spending taxpayer dollars when he was w/ Goldman Sachs. my problem is that his actions appear reckless and he's jeopardizing the re-election of many of the state legislators. he's acting selfishly and refuses to budge which is the kiss of death in politics. although the best thing of all is that it will likely turn into a 1 term governor which is a-ok in my book.
i also don't want to hear him being applauded for standing up to the state legislators. that's crap. their responsibilities as elected officials is, imho, to work together for the COMMON GOOD of all and it's clear that the state senate ain't budging...so do something! now!!!
Esox
In Search of Inspirado
I wasn't bashing Jersey. I know it's a TV show. I was, um, bashing the idea of operating casinos without government regulators in place.
skadistic
Caomhanach
El Justo said:
I never understood this. I think it refers to the NJTP right? I go to the Jersy shore alot to see loved ones and don't even take the NJTP or the Garden State PW. And I go through 3/4 of the state from the south.
DBear
unbeliever
Godwynn, I'll second your comment about Illinois.
El Justo
Deity
alright, alright 
NJ does smell. at least the industrial block in the north (and Camden). it ain't like that though in almost all parts south, especially the southeast of the state where it is unusually rural (largest underground water aquifier on the east coast, largest continuous pine forest from MA to VA, large tracts of wetlands that are protected from development, etc). and south Jersey boasts some of the nicest beaches all along the east coast.
we get knocked on for having too many nuclear waste dump sites. there isn't one near me for 60 or 70 miles and they're all in the north.
we're chided as the "armpit of America" b/c we're cradled in between NYC, Philly, and DC. that's a bad rap. ain't nothing wrong w/ that imho.
there's also jokes about how lots of famous people who were born in Jersey often don't acknowledge that they're really from Jersey (no Joisey! that's too stereotypical!)
and to stay on topic some - our state politics have been traditionally mired in red ink, scandals, and now the most recent fiasco - the govt shut-down.
as for the exit thing - it is indeed the Garden State Parkway exit #s that are more recognizable to travellers than the town names themselves. i do live not far from a GSP exit but i won't say!
NJ does smell. at least the industrial block in the north (and Camden). it ain't like that though in almost all parts south, especially the southeast of the state where it is unusually rural (largest underground water aquifier on the east coast, largest continuous pine forest from MA to VA, large tracts of wetlands that are protected from development, etc). and south Jersey boasts some of the nicest beaches all along the east coast.
we get knocked on for having too many nuclear waste dump sites. there isn't one near me for 60 or 70 miles and they're all in the north.
we're chided as the "armpit of America" b/c we're cradled in between NYC, Philly, and DC. that's a bad rap. ain't nothing wrong w/ that imho.
there's also jokes about how lots of famous people who were born in Jersey often don't acknowledge that they're really from Jersey (no Joisey! that's too stereotypical!)
and to stay on topic some - our state politics have been traditionally mired in red ink, scandals, and now the most recent fiasco - the govt shut-down.
as for the exit thing - it is indeed the Garden State Parkway exit #s that are more recognizable to travellers than the town names themselves. i do live not far from a GSP exit but i won't say!
oh, before Justo kills me, I have no qualms with NJ. Most American students, (and an awful lot of my great friends), hail from Jersey. I hope you guys get this worked out. NJ taxes are way too high anyways...surely there is a better way to trim the deficit....goverment fat to trim?
El Justo
Deity
yes! that's it! 
So who can?El Justo said:
You can say that about any elected official in the state, what makes Corzine stand out?
You're speaking of common good, then not dishing it out to the legislature (who also isn't budging) and complain that Corzine's actions would risk the re-elections of some legislators. Don't you see the clash between those concepts?
Nobody
Gangster
Mafias gonna be pissed at someone.....
El Justo said:alright, alright
NJ does smell. at least the industrial block in the north (and Camden). it ain't like that though in almost all parts south, especially the southeast of the state where it is unusually rural (largest underground water aquifier on the east coast, largest continuous pine forest from MA to VA, large tracts of wetlands that are protected from development, etc). and south Jersey boasts some of the nicest beaches all along the east coast.
we get knocked on for having too many nuclear waste dump sites. there isn't one near me for 60 or 70 miles and they're all in the north.
we're chided as the "armpit of America" b/c we're cradled in between NYC, Philly, and DC. that's a bad rap. ain't nothing wrong w/ that imho.
there's also jokes about how lots of famous people who were born in Jersey often don't acknowledge that they're really from Jersey (no Joisey! that's too stereotypical!)
and to stay on topic some - our state politics have been traditionally mired in red ink, scandals, and now the most recent fiasco - the govt shut-down.
as for the exit thing - it is indeed the Garden State Parkway exit #s that are more recognizable to travellers than the town names themselves. i do live not far from a GSP exit but i won't say!
I have nothing against NJ - heck, my wife was born there.
Oh wait, I do have something against NJ. My wife hates the state (she moved to Florida when she was 18), the NJTP claimed my old Jeep, the state gets steadily more asinine about gun laws, and I'm surprised nobody has yet mentioned former governor James McGreevy yet.
But anyway El Justo, I'll keep my mouth shut about it from here on out in this thread.
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