MySpace Deletes Largest Atheist Group in the World.

Any my statement is d) none of the above.

Or do you wish to e) cry some more?

See, that is exactly the attitude that I can not reconcile with the teachings of Jesus, son of Mary. Twist and turn any way you like, but to me you sound exactly like the people must have sounded who so annoyed him that he set out to reform his religion. You sound to me exactly like all the Old Testament characters Jesus tried to teach. You sound to me exactly like the vengeful, hateful, proud and arrogant guy who runs amok all across the OT, killing babies to make a point in his arguments with Satan. Killing (almost) his entire creation just because he had (nearly) totally screwed it up. If you bother to read the New Testament carefully and with an open mind you will understand that your attitudes and your behavior run contrary to the ideas you claim to adhere to!

Thank you for making my point so nicely and predictably. I admire you for trying to better yourself (as I take it you said earlier in this thread). That is something few people really try, while many whine about it. And I admire you for your honest, especially to yourself, that allows you to notice where there is room for such improvement. But your 'I couldn't care less' attitude, your deliberate 'cold shoulder' and your arrogant dismissal of those you do not agree with are really contrary to the very spirit of Christianity - the very part of it that I can respect and admire!
 
Actually, Mise precisely did. See his links that absolve Myspace from blame.

He must have exchanged the link, then, between you and me reading it! :lol:
 
Actually, Mise precisely did. See his links that absolve Myspace from blame.

Huh? That only says MySpace restored the group -- I don't see anything there that suggests MySpace deleted it because its members were causing problems and not because of their atheism.
 
See, that is exactly the attitude that I can not reconcile with the teachings of Jesus, son of Mary. Twist and turn any way you like, but to me you sound exactly like the people must have sounded who so annoyed him that he set out to reform his religion. You sound to me exactly like all the Old Testament characters Jesus tried to teach. You sound to me exactly like the vengeful, hateful, proud and arrogant guy who runs amok all across the OT, killing babies to make a point in his arguments with Satan. Killing (almost) his entire creation just because he had (nearly) totally screwed it up. If you bother to read the New Testament carefully and with an open mind you will understand that your attitudes and your behavior run contrary to the ideas you claim to adhere to!

Thank you for making my point so nicely and predictably. I admire you for trying to better yourself (as I take it you said earlier in this thread). That is something few people really try, while many whine about it. And I admire you for your honest, especially to yourself, that allows you to notice where there is room for such improvement. But your 'I couldn't care less' attitude, your deliberate 'cold shoulder' and your arrogant dismissal of those you do not agree with are really contrary to the very spirit of Christianity - the very part of it that I can respect and admire!

The words Simon speaks are harsh, but fair
 
Let me see if I understand this correctly. Atheists can be "offended" by Jesus and have the word XXXXXmas banned. Hey, wait, I can't even say "Merry XXXXXmas" here? Why do I have to say "Happy Holidays" just because you feel "offended"?

But when a Christian is offended, they are being pushy, intolerant, and condescending?
 
Let me see if I understand this correctly. Atheists can be "offended" by Jesus and have the word XXXXXmas banned. Hey, wait, I can't even say "Merry XXXXXmas" here? Why do I have to say "Happy Holidays" just because you feel "offended"?

But when a Christian is offended, they are being pushy, intolerant, and condescending?

Just for the record, its the pressure from other religions that celebrate holidays during the same period as Christmas that caused the shift to "happy holidays".

Just think about your arguments for a second. Why would atheists want people to say happy holidays? We have no official holiday to celebrate. If anything, an atheist would want people to just say happy new year or something similar to celebrate the passing of a year.
 
See, that is exactly the attitude that I can not reconcile with the teachings of Jesus, son of Mary. Twist and turn any way you like, but to me you sound exactly like the people must have sounded who so annoyed him that he set out to reform his religion. You sound to me exactly like all the Old Testament characters Jesus tried to teach. You sound to me exactly like the vengeful, hateful, proud and arrogant guy who runs amok all across the OT, killing babies to make a point in his arguments with Satan. Killing (almost) his entire creation just because he had (nearly) totally screwed it up. If you bother to read the New Testament carefully and with an open mind you will understand that your attitudes and your behavior run contrary to the ideas you claim to adhere to!

Thank you for making my point so nicely and predictably. I admire you for trying to better yourself (as I take it you said earlier in this thread). That is something few people really try, while many whine about it. And I admire you for your honest, especially to yourself, that allows you to notice where there is room for such improvement. But your 'I couldn't care less' attitude, your deliberate 'cold shoulder' and your arrogant dismissal of those you do not agree with are really contrary to the very spirit of Christianity - the very part of it that I can respect and admire!

Blah, blah, blah, (insert atheist complaining out christians not being christian enough) more blah, blah, blah.

The point being is I just dont buy into athiest labels of christians. Why? Because a huge amount of their viewpoint is so off base, so completely wrong, as to be nonsensical. And this is simply another case of it. You (and others) want to whine, whine, whine about how 'condescending' it is for a christian to say their sorry for someone. My 'I couldnt care less' attitude stems from you (and others) complete misdirection of the entire issue....which is precisely christians SHOULD be sad that those that havent heard the gospel of Jesus are going to hell. We are supposed to love the lost and try to save them and its SAD to a christian to hear that peoples hearts are so hard and calloused that they twist a GOOD thing into something bad in order to try and ease their own feeling of guilt.

If you want to be 'harsh but fair' then perhaps you should honestly ask yourself why does my sympathy appear condescending to you in the first place?
 
Blah, blah, blah, (insert atheist complaining out christians not being christian enough) more blah, blah, blah.

Hm, why do I get the feeling that you are on a mission to reinforce me negative opinion of a certain type of Christian? It seems to me that you either can't stand criticism, or can't answer the points, so you just ignore it. Pity.

The point being is I just dont buy into athiest labels of christians.

I ain't selln' anything, so no need to buy.
I have ample experience, having grown up among some of the worst of the Christian crop. And that has nothing to do with labels, but in this case you personally - if it escaped you: I was describing YOUR behavior.

Why? Because a huge amount of their viewpoint is so off base, so completely wrong, as to be nonsensical.

If it is wrong, show me how. Don't whine and say blah blah. I get the feeling that you are in denial, as you can't bring anything but yadda yadda and flippant remarks.

And this is simply another case of it. You (and others) want to whine, whine, whine about how 'condescending' it is for a christian to say their sorry for someone. My 'I couldnt care less' attitude stems from you (and others) complete misdirection of the entire issue....

See, this is a classic 'gotcha' - on the one hand you claim to feel sorry, but on the other hand you refuse to even examine the issue - so why are you sorry? And why do you 'care' on the hand, but do not 'care' on the other? By you own religion's rules, you do not do too well.

which is precisely christians SHOULD be sad that those that havent heard the gospel of Jesus are going to hell. We are supposed to love the lost and try to save them and its SAD to a christian to hear that peoples hearts are so hard and calloused that they twist a GOOD thing into something bad in order to try and ease their own feeling of guilt.

Oh, so feel a little sorry for atheists because you MUST?

What's callous is your switching the care thingy on and off any way it happens to suit you. That's mean, and un-Christian. I am quite sure that I understand Jesus a lot better than you, because I read and thought about his messages with both open heart and mind. I just happen to refuse all the mythical yadda-yadda. You, on the other hand, seem to refuse all the ideas, but stick adamantly to the form. That's exactly what the Jews did, exactly what Jesus fought against. :(

If you want to be 'harsh but fair' then perhaps you should honestly ask yourself why does my sympathy appear condescending to you in the first place?

I do not want to be harsh - if my posts sound harsh I suggest you look through this thread for the poster who started the harsh tone (hint: he calls himself the boss of a criminal organization). I do want to be fair, but I do not seem to get much fairness back from you, only a 'holier than thou' attitude.

Perhaps I may suggest that you - just once - take a mental step back and try to see things from a different perspective? Just once read the bible - the entire bible - from the point of view that it is a collection of historic tales? No need to 'buy' that, but it might open your mind for a better understanding of what Jesus was trying so hard to tell people - and why I think and feel about these things the way I do! I done that same thing vice-versa, and it was an interesting and enlightening experience to attempt to re-feel the passion and closed-mindedness of a Young Earth Creationist (I take it you are not quite that exreme in your views, though).
 
Let me see if I understand this correctly. Atheists can be "offended" by Jesus and have the word XXXXXmas banned. Hey, wait, I can't even say "Merry XXXXXmas" here? Why do I have to say "Happy Holidays" just because you feel "offended"?

But when a Christian is offended, they are being pushy, intolerant, and condescending?

I happen to agree with general_kill: I have hardly ever heard of atheists being anti-Christian or anti-religion in an offensive way. Most(!) live by the live-and-let-live doctrine - keep your crosses/burkhas/yarmulkes out of school and work, and I will keep my thought about God out of your church. I, for one, do not mind 'Merry Christmas'. Why should I? I hope all Christians HAVE a merry celebration, whatever the reason! If they choose to believe some weird tale about Jesus that is pretty much impossible, and that tale makes them happy and makes them remember all the good things Jesus taught, why should I complain????? I wish them a 'Merry Christmas', and those who know me wish me a 'happy holiday' back.
 
The thing is, Christmas is not only by far the most important of the holidays celebrated around that time, it is not even, by and large, a particularly Christian holiday. Thus, this whole "Happy Holidays" thing, while in no way offensive or particularly bad, is kind of silly and unnecessary.
 
It is the most widely celebrated, and originally was considered more relevant. I mean, I don't see why I need to wish anyone a Happy Hannukah if I am not first wishing them a good Yom Kippur, but it's the only Jewish holiday most people know, just because it's around Christmas.
 
Let me see if I understand this correctly. Atheists can be "offended" by Jesus and have the word XXXXXmas banned. Hey, wait, I can't even say "Merry XXXXXmas" here? Why do I have to say "Happy Holidays" just because you feel "offended"?

But when a Christian is offended, they are being pushy, intolerant, and condescending?
Who is writing all those "War on Christmas" books again, taking offense that some poor clerk doesn't properly sanctify their commercial transaction with the correct two words?
 
Blah, blah, blah, (insert atheist complaining out christians not being christian enough) more blah, blah, blah.

The point being is I just dont buy into athiest labels of christians. Why? Because a huge amount of their viewpoint is so off base, so completely wrong, as to be nonsensical. And this is simply another case of it. You (and others) want to whine, whine, whine about how 'condescending' it is for a christian to say their sorry for someone. My 'I couldnt care less' attitude stems from you (and others) complete misdirection of the entire issue....which is precisely christians SHOULD be sad that those that havent heard the gospel of Jesus are going to hell. We are supposed to love the lost and try to save them and its SAD to a christian to hear that peoples hearts are so hard and calloused that they twist a GOOD thing into something bad in order to try and ease their own feeling of guilt.

If you want to be 'harsh but fair' then perhaps you should honestly ask yourself why does my sympathy appear condescending to you in the first place?

Get off your pedastal sir. You are giving a perfect example of a Christian being un-Christian. This is why there are so many ignorant attacks on Christians. Could it hurt to be a little Christlike?

You're allowed to feel sorry for someone, but you've got no place babbling on about it, it does indeed seem condescending and arrogant.
 
Will anon attack myspace now?
 
Hm, why do I get the feeling that you are on a mission to reinforce me negative opinion of a certain type of Christian? It seems to me that you either can't stand criticism, or can't answer the points, so you just ignore it. Pity.

Or it could be that you are just simply regurgitating the same old vomit that christians ususally get from the athiest end of the stick.

I ain't selln' anything, so no need to buy.
I have ample experience, having grown up among some of the worst of the Christian crop. And that has nothing to do with labels, but in this case you personally - if it escaped you: I was describing YOUR behavior.

And whats so bad about my behavior? Oh, excuse me, I felt sorry for an atheist. How shameful. :rolleyes:

If it is wrong, show me how. Don't whine and say blah blah

Not my whine bro. The whining in this thread started when I said I felt sorry for an athiest.

See, this is a classic 'gotcha' - on the one hand you claim to feel sorry, but on the other hand you refuse to even examine the issue - so why are you sorry?

Actually, I have examined the issue, several times in fact. What should a Christian feel for a lost soul that rejects God? Think about it. Or perhaps you are so removed from the christian mindset and ethos that you have no empathy what-so-ever for your fellow man?

And why do you 'care' on the hand, but do not 'care' on the other? By you own religion's rules, you do not do too well.

No, I said that I would defend myself if assaulted in a bar.

Oh, so feel a little sorry for atheists because you MUST?

I wouldnt want to wish hell upon my worst enemy, if that is what you are asking.

What's callous is your switching the care thingy on and off any way it happens to suit you. That's mean, and un-Christian.

What switching on and off are you referring to here? Do I want to see athiests in hell? No. Do I have endless patience to put up with their crap? Not really.

You see where you make your mistake is you assume that all christians fit into some cookie cutter image you have of what a christian should be. Thats not realistic. There was only ever one perfect man: Jesus. Everyone else (i.e. christians) try to fit into that mold, albeit imperfectly.

I am quite sure that I understand Jesus a lot better than you, because I read and thought about his messages with both open heart and mind. I just happen to refuse all the mythical yadda-yadda.

Then you dont understand hiim at all. Removing God and Jesus' own divinity from his message merely results in an imperfect (i.e. worldly) understanding of his message. That viewpoint is insufficient in understanding his message.

You, on the other hand, seem to refuse all the ideas, but stick adamantly to the form. That's exactly what the Jews did, exactly what Jesus fought against. :(

No, actually you greatly misrepresent me. One, you dont know me, you know nothing about me. You most certainly dont know my heart or my spirit. And here is how so far out of touch you are: Ask yourself honestly: Who would feel sorry for people going to hell? Jesus or the Pharisees? Obviously Jesus. Thus me stating I feel sorry in that very same manner puts me in his camp, not the pharisees. Your labeling is simply incorrect and is just more of atypical atheist finger waving.
 
Wow Mobboss, your so misrepresenting us christians.

The thing is christianity should never be about insulting people, or forcing our holidays and traditions on others. Jesus accomplished things with love and truth. So think that being nice and respectful to others your weaking the truth, because Love is the truth. If we went back to what jesus really wanted us to do, I think people would have a lot less beef with us. Think about we have caused so many wars and . .. .. .. .. Jesus would never have wanted his disciples to do what we do.
 
Reeeal Christian.

Actually, its being real honest. I suppose you would prefer I lie about my own shortcomings where christianity is concerned? Do you know any 'perfect' christians? You see, that is precisely where you show how truly and utterly ignorant you are of christianity. Its not about appearing perfect to weiners like you because you cant - no one is perfect - but its about the pursuit of perfection i.e. Jesus' ideal.

Case in point, undoubtedly you would give the same such comment to any believer in a moment of weakness - I can just see you saying "reeeal christian" to Peter when he denied Christ three times and fell down weeping. But would anyone doubt that Peter diligently pursued Jesus teachings? Heck no.

Brennen there is one thing that is for certain here. You are not worthy to judge me in any way, shape or form where christianity is concerned. Not even close.
 
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