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Myth01- Training Day- Regent

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Succession Games' started by mythmonster2, Jan 8, 2008.

  1. TheOverseer714

    TheOverseer714 Overseer

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    lurker's comment: You can only trade for cities in Vanilla, I believe. Maybe PTW too, but definitely not in Conquests. You can gift cities but can't ask for them in trade. You can demand them for peace, also. But no trading them. Sorry. Blame it on Firaxis for taking away that possibility.
     
  2. CommandoBob

    CommandoBob AbstractArt

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    I remember reading (here at the forum) that the AIs put so much importance to cities in vanilla that you could extort all their techs and gold for a size 1 city. Not in peace deal, but if you had captured a city, made peace and then offered the city back to them in trade, the AI would mortgage everything to reacquire a highly corrupt town on the fringes of the empire.
     
  3. choxorn

    choxorn Watermelon Headcrab

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    lurker's comment: Is the city above size one? If yes, shell it to size one, and they may be more willing to give it up.
     
  4. vmxa

    vmxa Deity Supporter

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    I don't think that is quite the case, but here is what people would do to them. Make a deal for a city where they traded one of their towns to the AI and then either flip it back or take it back.

    This the things they wanted to eliminate. So they did. I was in complete accord with that move. Now if it was like Moo, where you capture a place and have a chance of getting a tech, then at least a trade of your town may give them a tech.

    As it was they were used like some do with gpt deals. Make the deal and force a DOW or declare breaking the deal.
     
  5. Northen Wolf

    Northen Wolf Young Hunter

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    Who is next, if you are waiting for me, then don't, I'm hoping on and off computers as I can, travelling between hospital and home(s). I was not actually even allowed out of the hospital, but if I leave on my own free will they can't write me out of hospital either - life threatening. So I just visit hospital to eat and do tests.

    I Played several turns here, I still consider this to be SG I am part of.
     
  6. Yahya

    Yahya Warlord

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    Wow, good to see you guys are still going. I had to completely drop off the radar when school started.

    Congratz, people! :D:):goodjob:

    Actually, now that I've read this more carefully, I wish you the best, Northen Wolf.
     
  7. Aabraxan

    Aabraxan Mid-level Micromanager

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    I've been off the radar for a while, too, but I wanted to drop in and wish you good health, Northen Wolf.
     
  8. Northen Wolf

    Northen Wolf Young Hunter

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    Thanks all, but focus on your current task, free the people of chinese from threat of prehistoric fools(ai).
     
  9. nerovats

    nerovats Emperor

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    CommanderBob is up.
     
  10. CommandoBob

    CommandoBob AbstractArt

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    I should be able to get to this on the weekend.
     
  11. CommandoBob

    CommandoBob AbstractArt

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    [Preflight]

    Military:
    002 Settlers
    147 Workers
    068 Slaves
    001 Explorers
    001 Warrior
    004 Archers
    002 Spears
    005 Swords
    004 Horse
    063 Cavalry
    014 Infantry
    007 Frigates
    013 Galleons
    005 Army
    001 Riders
    002 Mace
    001 Guerillla
    000 Trebuchets
    002 Trebuchets (captured)

    Allowed Units: 231
    Current Units: 272
    Cost per turn: 082 gpt

    Luxuries connected to Beijing
    03 Wines
    03 Furs
    05 Dyes
    03 Incense
    02 Spices
    03 Silks
    03 Gems

    Resources connected to Beijing
    03 Rubber
    03 Coal
    05 Saltpeter
    05 Iron
    07 Horse


    Wonder Races
    • Magellan's Voyage (Astronomy)
      • Delphi (6) (Greece)
    • JS Bach's Cathedral (Music Theory)
      • Thermopylae (12) (Greece)

    International
    Greece - peace
    Iroquois - war
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    [Start of Preflight]

    The Coporation in 4
    5353 gold, +515 gpt
    060% Tax
    030% Science
    010% Luxury

    We are still in our Golden Age, with this turn and next turn to go.

    We need Amphibious Warfare to capture the one tile Iroquois island of Caughnawaga. That is 6 techs away from where we are right now.

    Cycle through the cities.

    Starve Madrid.
    Rush a settler in Thebes.
    Hire two geeks in Soduku City.
    Hire two geeks in Memphis.
    Rush the Artillery in Seville for 136 of 5265 gold.
    Clown -> geek in Tonawanda.
    Hire two geeks in Philadelphia.
    Hire three geeks in Isandhlwana.
    Fire the clowns in Alexandria.
    Rush a market in Tatung for 160 gold, then hire 1 clown.
    Macao hires a geek.
    So does Desert River.
    West Coast Point hire one geek and taxman -> geek.
    Fire the clown in Kahnawke.
    New Beijing hires a geek.
    New Shanghai does also.


    We currently have 61% of the world's area.
    We currently have 62% of the world's population.

    I can't see the reason to prolong this game another 2 or 3 turnsets just to conquer one island. It is just not worth it.

    Long Term Goals
    Dominate the world.

    Mid Range Goals
    Dominate the world.

    Short Range Goals
    Dominate the world.


    Oh! nerovats saved at the start of the turn, not the end.
    [End of Preflight]
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    1 1345 AD

    Jungle Clearing is founded in the jungle area between Old Spain and Old America.
    Greek Crasher is founded 2NW of Pharsalos.

    We rail all the grassland on the west side of Old Zulu.

    We evacuate most of the cities overseas and move our units around Greek Crasher.

    We'll DoW on Greece next turn. That will give our wounded a chance to heal.

    We sell Theory of Gravity to Greece for Music Theory, WM, 12 gpt and 226 of 226 gold.
    We'll sell them Metalurgy next turn before we declare war.
    [IBT]
    Thebes settler -> settler in 15.
    Canton vInfantry -> bank in 5.
    Murcia worker -> wealth.
    Seville artillery -> artillery in 40.
    Toledo worker -> wealth.
    Tatung market -> coruthouse in 6 (with 4 hard-hats).
    Beijing 2 rGalleon -> wealth.
    Forestville vInfantry -> bank in 7.
    Green Tea artillery -> artillery in 14.
    Fifty City worker -> worker in 10.
    Tientsin worker -> worker in 5.
    Shanghai 2 rGalleon -> wealth.

    2 1350 AD

    Nothing flips on the IBT.

    We sell Silks to Greece for 2 gpt and 30 of 30 gold.

    Then we declare war.

    It's Clobberin' Time
    Spoiler :






    Battle of Thermopylae (6) Greece
    Artillery drops a vHoplite to 2/4.
    vCav vs. rHoplite, Hoplite wins (0 of 1).
    eCav vs. vHoplite 2/4, Cavalary wins but does not promote (1 of 2).
    eCav vs. vKnight 2/4, Cavalry wins but does not promote (2 of 3).

    Good Results



    eCav vs. rHoplite 1/3, Cavalry wins and promotes to *CavalryOne* and Sun Tzu is born (3 of 4).
    Sun Tzu moves to Greek Crasher and builds an Army named Sun Tzu.
    eCav vs. vKnight 1/4, Cavalry wins (4 of 5).

    Good News


    And Thermoplyae is now Chinese.

    We rail to Thermopylae.

    Interior Cleanup
    vInf vs. rKnight (Greece), Knight wins (4 of 6).
    vCav vs. rKnight (Greece), Cavalry win (5 of 7).
    eMace vs. rKnight 1/3 (Greece), Mace wins (6 of 8).

    Declaring war on Greece cuts our supply line for Coal. No, my bad. I thought we needed to rail a hill, but it was already done. Our Coal is connected via the harbor in Madrid. I just wasted a slave on a Coal Colony.

    Load three Cavalries into Sun Tzu.

    Battle of Argos (12) Greece
    Sun Tzu vs. rHoplite, Sun Tzu wins (7 of 9).
    Sun Tzu (11/12) vs. rHoplite, Sun Tzu wins and has an interior promotion (8 of 10).

    Good News



    And Argos becomes Chinese. We rail to it and through it.

    Clearing the Path to Corinth
    Hero of Philadelphia (vGuerilla) vs. vKnight, Knight wins (8 of 11).
    vInf vs. vKnight 3/4, Knight retreats (9 of 12).

    Battle of Corinth (12) Greece
    vCav vs. rHoplite, Cavalry wins (10 of 13).
    vCav vs. rHoplite, Cavalry retreats (10 of 14).
    vCav vs. rHoplite, Cavalry wins (11 of 15).

    Good News



    And Corinth is now Pink and railed.

    Moping up Around Corinth
    eHorse vs. vKnight 1/4, Horse wins but does not promote (12 of 16).

    Battle of Sparta (4) Greece
    vCav vs. rHoplite, Hoplite wins (12 of 17).
    vCav vs. rHoplite, Cavalry wins and promotes to Elite (13 of 18).
    eHorse vs. rHoplite 1/3, Horse wins (14 of 19).

    Good News



    Sparta is now ours and railed. We have 64% of the land, 96% of the population.

    Battle of Delphi (6) Greece
    vCav vs. rHoplite, Hoplite wins and promotes (14 of 20).
    vCav vs. rHoplite, Cavalry wins (15 of 21).
    vCav vs. vHoplite 3/4, Cavalry wins (14 of 22).

    Good News



    And Delphi has joined the Pink Domination.
    Land: 65%
    Population: 96%

    Battle of Athens (11) Capital of Greece
    vCav vs. rHoplite, Cavalry wins and promotes to Elite (15 of 23).
    Unnamed Army vs. rHoplite, Unnamed wins (16 of 24).
    Unnamed Army (11/13) vs. rHoplite, Unnamed wins (17 of 25).

    Good News



    And Athens has been overcome by the Pink Pansies.
    We now control the Sistine Chapel, and maybe some other things; I didn't check.
    Land: 65%
    Popluation: 98%.

    Battle of Ephesus (1) Greece
    vCav vs. rHoplite, Cavalry wins (18 of 26).

    Good News




    We destroy this little green city instead of capturing it. That doesn't help us any.

    We build Limit Breaker north of Niagara Falls, claiming 9 tiles.

    Land: 66%
    Population: 98%

    Just in case:
    We load 4 Cavalry into the new Galleon in Shanghai 2 and sail across to the Iroquois capital of Herakleia. This Galleon then sails into Argos.

    We build Limit Surpasser 3NE of Limit Breaker, which can almost claim the full FatX tiles, for a total of 17 tiles.
    Land: 67%
    Population: 98%

    We rail to Delphi and Athens.
    We raid an Aidu camp for 25 gold.

    All the grass is railed in Old Zulu, along with all the plains. Just a few chops to clear out.
    Begin to finish railing in Old India.

    Cycle through the cities.
    Rush a settler in Philadelphia for 88 gold.
    Heliopolis vCav -> settler in 1.
    Santiago worker -> settler, rush for 96 gold.
    Valencia vInf -> settler, rush for 104 gold.
    Purple Pretender worker -> settler, rush for 100 gold.

    Save game.
    Map Stat shows we are 20 tiles over the limit. We'll see.
    [IBT]
    Iroquois Mace kills a Cavalry (18 of 27).

    Beijing vInf -> Bank in 4.
    Madrid worker -> worker in 10.
    Watery vInf -> courthouse in 3.
    Barcelona worker -> worker in 10.
    Philadelphia settler -> settler in 30.
    Isandhlwana worker -> wealth.
    Heliopolis settler -> settler in 30.
    Irony vCav -> Bank in 7.
    Santiago settler -> settler in 30.
    Old Zulu City worker -> wealth.
    Valencia settler -> settler in 30.
    Tugeal worker -> wealth.
    Anyang vInf -> bank in 8.
    Desert Marsh vInf -> market in 5.
    Black Oak vInf -> vInf in 5.
    Chengdu worker -> wealth.
    Purple Pretender settler -> settler in 30.

    Very Good News!


    I've attached the last save at 1350 AD so that anyone can view the replays, if they so desire.
     
  12. CommandoBob

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    Victory Screen
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    Victory Screen: Score
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    Victory Screen: Power
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    Victory Screen: Culture
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    Ranking Screen
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  13. TheOverseer714

    TheOverseer714 Overseer

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    Excellent job, everyone! I'm glad this one made it home. Very good score for the level.
     
  14. choxorn

    choxorn Watermelon Headcrab

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    lurker's comment: Erm, pardon me, but what's the point of asking for gpt when you're declaring war the next turn? :p

    Nice finish. Still think you should have gotten peace with the Iro, then broken it and won by Conquest, by nice finish anyway. :p
     
  15. CommandoBob

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    Force of habit, mostly. Just trying to get the best deal possible. And even if it is only for one turn, we do get the gpt for that one turn. The more gpt we have, the less gpt the AI has and the harder it is for them to adjust/make trades/rush units, etc.
    I did check for peace with Iroquois, but I could not get the one tile island city as part of the peace trade.
     
  16. Northen Wolf

    Northen Wolf Young Hunter

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    well done everyone!
     
  17. Aabraxan

    Aabraxan Mid-level Micromanager

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  18. darski

    darski Regent in Training

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    WTG! and it is especially fitting that CBob got the win. You put in a lot time, effort and caring for this one!

    :goodjob:
     
  19. Rodent

    Rodent Carnage

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    Congratulations :goodjob:
     

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