Need help pointing year of wolrd map

[Rhymes]

I bought an old terrestrial globe and I'm pretty sure I nailed it's year down to between 1930 and 1939 or just after WW2 (1945-1948).

How could we point the exact year according to the countries on it? I could take pics later on also.


THanks!!

 

[Agent327]

Any decent historical atlas would show some territorial differences between the years 1930, 1939 and 1945; a world map of 1930 would not be the same as one of 1939 or after 1945. I'm pretty sure you can google these maps.

 

[Bugfatty300]

It seems that a lot of decorative globes typically don't put much emphasis on being accurate or up to date so you might not be able to pin point the year it was made at all, at least not from looking at the countries and such. For instance I had a couple of old globes which had several contradictory anachronisms.

Though I suppose they might have come from an alternative universe like the Roosevelt 1943 B dime.

 

[North King]

The big tell would be whether Germany has modern borders or that Prussia+Silesia crabclaw that it lost after WW2.

 

[History_Buff]

I bought an old terrestrial globe and I'm pretty sure I nailed it's year down to between 1930 and 1939 or just after WW2 (1945-1948).

How could we point the exact year according to the countries on it? I could take pics later on also.


THanks!!

Indeed, the obvious way to tell if it's pre- or post-WW2 is by the shape of Germany. That will also give you a good hint as to where it might be in the 30's as well.

Germany, 1930:

This map shows various areas annexed by Germany in the run up to WW2. Another clue might be whether the Rhineland is shown as de-militarized, but if it's not that's not very conclusive.

Beyond Germany, look at Ethiopia. If it's shown as occupied by Italy, then it's from post-1936.

Next up is South America. What do Paraguay and Bolivia look like?

Then we have China. If Manchuria is controlled by Japan, then we're looking at post-1931. If the status of the civil war in China is shown in any detail, that could offer clues as well.

Sadly I can't think of too many more big territorial changes. But the final place you should look is out in the Pacific, because the date is almost certainly printed on the globe somewhere.

 

[Rhymes]

Thanks! Seems like it's post ww2 after all, but before the creation of Israel.

 

[Wrymouth3]

You could also note that Sudanese-Egyptian Border is slightly deviated in this time period. The Hala'ib Triangle is going to have a ever-changing shape as well. I believe Sudan's independence was in 1955 or 1956, and the modern borders have stayed pretty much to that until about 1990.

 

[History_Buff]

Thanks! Seems like it's post ww2 after all, but before the creation of Israel.

So Germany is divided then? Israel formally became independent in 1948, so we're in that three year window. Is India independent/does Pakistan exist?

Really you should post pictures.

 

[Rhymes]

So Germany is divided then? Israel formally became independent in 1948, so we're in that three year window. Is India independent/does Pakistan exist?

Really you should post pictures.

Germany is not divided but it has lost prussian territory. In palestine there is a single state reffered to as "palestine-Israel", which led me to think it was in the 3 years period of 1945-1948.

Pakistan is still part of india, England is still owner of the aden territory and Italian Somalia still exists.

I'll take picture later on!

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

If it's post-WWII then Japan should only control half of Sakhalin Island, with the other half in the Soviet Union. If it's pre-WWII then Japan should control all of it.


Germany would not appear divided on a world map until 1949, as this is when West Germany was formed. Until then it was a shrunken Germany under joint Allied military occupation.

 

[Rhymes]

What else:

- Dutch India (indonesia)
- People's republic of Mongolia
- Manshuria part of China
- **Korea is undivided***
- Iran is called Iran (and not Persia)

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Who controls East Prussia? Where is the eastern border of Poland?

Is it like this:

Or this?

 

[Rhymes]

I would have to check again when I get home but I'm pretty sure it's like the second picture

 

[Rhymes]

Was in in 1947 that prussia became part of Poland?

 

[Tahuti]

Was in in 1947 that prussia became part of Poland?

No, that was 1947, and only for very specific parts. 1947 was the date Prussia ceased to exist as a subnational entity.

Based on the information you gave us, I'd peg it on very late in 1945 to somewhere in 1946. While the Dutch formally recognised Indonesia in 1950, Indonesia's independence was probably acclaimed as such earlier, so it cannot be very late in the 1940s.

 

[Rhymes]

Now I just realized it couldn't be 1945-1948.... because of Italian somalia. Wasn't southern somalia returned to Italy from Great Brittain only in like 1950? But then again Korea would be splitt after 1950 right?


Maybe Israel is created but the globe doesn't show it right (and says Israel-Palestine for graphic reasons).

 

[sydhe]

Italy lost Libya in February 1947 and it became independent in December of 1951. Italy also lost the Dodecanese (Rhodes and some smaller Greek islands) in 1947, but your globe may not be detailed enough to show that.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Show us pictures please! This will help us enormously.

 

[Rhymes]

Pictures below

 

[Rhymes]

Picture of Europe a bit blurry, but still