Pontiuth Pilate
Republican Jesus!
Totally ad hoc, again. And not even close to paralleling the literal belief of the ancients.
Need to prove to my mom that Evolution is real
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Norlamand
Procrastinator Rex
Why do you care if your mom believes in evolution or creation? Let it go! I don't have a problem with letting people live with their delusions, so long as they don't try to force them on me. Evolution is a theory and can't be proven with certainty. If your mom chooses to ignore the data, let her live peacefully in her flat earth world.
Just because the ancients didn't completely understand, doesn't mean that they didn't have art of it right. So what if it is ad hoc? It still points out a flaw inin that particular line of argument. Are you going to make an argument that an ad hoc suit (tailor-made suit) is not as good as a cookie cutter one?Pontiuth Pilate said:
Perfection
The Great Head.
I don't know where to begin...Smidlee said:
Some thoughts:
What kind of washing machine are you talking about?
Why would a washing machine maker care about a detergent comapnies profit?
Isn't this not about science, but the application of technology?
What makes you think evolutionary biology is only a scheme to make money?
Have you been eating Bozo's magic brownies?
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Just get your mom some sea monkees. Wait and let them evolve until develop space flight. Problem solved.
Sims2789
Fool me once...
There are fish with tissue that can tell the difference between light and dark, clearly an early form of vision. Other animals' vision is between those fish and that of humans (and some is better than humans'). I choose this because creationists often use eyes as something too complex to evolve naturally; therefore, God must have designed them.
Also, if humans were intelligently designed, why do we have organs? Why not design us to be hollow with no need for food, sleep, etc.? Of course, you should still focus on scientific arguments, since you're trying to change your mom's mind. However, this can be used to cast doubt, but she might just say "God works in mysterious ways." I don't know your mom so I don't know how she'd react (or if this second argument would even be useful against her).
Also, if humans were intelligently designed, why do we have organs? Why not design us to be hollow with no need for food, sleep, etc.? Of course, you should still focus on scientific arguments, since you're trying to change your mom's mind. However, this can be used to cast doubt, but she might just say "God works in mysterious ways." I don't know your mom so I don't know how she'd react (or if this second argument would even be useful against her).
Zarn
Le Républicain Catholique
Sims, why can't a god be behind evolving eyes?
Don't be ridiculus. Food and sleep gives us energy, but He designed the system to work. This life is not suppose to be the easy life.
Don't be ridiculus. Food and sleep gives us energy, but He designed the system to work. This life is not suppose to be the easy life.
croxis
Chat room op
Evolution also has nothing to do with the origin of life.
Smidlee said:
No, as it has no relevence to evolution. Evolution is concerned with the way DNA changes. Abiogenesis is concerned with how it was chemically formed.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Smidlee said:
If it was discovered that abiogenesis is not how life formed, but instead that the first lifeforms were designed by an intelligent designer from Alpha Centauri - it wouldn't affect the theory of evolution in the least.
The two theories are mutually exclusive.
croxis
Chat room op
Truronian is correct - just because abiogenesis (primortal soup) relys on evolution to explain how life got from the origin to now does NOT mean evolution requires it.
Evolution is to biology as plate tectonics is to geology as unified field theory would be to physics!
Evolution is to biology as plate tectonics is to geology as unified field theory would be to physics!
If proven the first life was by design then this would weaken evolution position since it could happen more than once. Thus the first bat actually came from the first design bat, modern man could also be an separate creation,etc. So I would disagree with you there no matter what definition you tried to separate the two.warpus said:
croxis
Chat room op
The problem is empirical evidence does not back your silly philosophical drivel (hence my general loathing for philosophy in general).
Cu Chulainn
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Elrohir said:It doesn't matter that the sun wasn't created - there was still light. Photosynthesis is required for plants, and for that you need light - but it doesn't have to be the Sun's specific light. That's really not a very good argument.
Yeah, thanks buddy.That was seriously insulting; just because you think some religious people don't use their brains (And you'd be right; check out Peter Popoff and his crew - nuts) doesn't mean every single one does. You shouldn't generalize like that.
In the same post you insist that Chritians are generally deep thinkers and suggest that plants existed before the sun and there was a magical Godlight that kept them going. You've hurt my brain.
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
He's only hurt the bit of your brain which doesn't take the Bible at face value, I should think.Cu Chulainn said:
John's Apocalypse said:
Smidlee said:
I think he meant: if life was proven to come from spores from outer space, it wouldn't harm Evolution as a theory.
Though your point is good. I think that evolutionists, in general, would take a successful 'proof of concept' experiment in abiogenesis as evidence in evolution's favour.
MobBoss:
That was funny. I feel obliged to state that species don't evolve 'towards' anything specific (i.e., space flight), but I understand that you were just being funny.
Thorgalaeg
Deity
What about the famous evolution of the peppered moth?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution
