NES World/Regional Maps Requests Thread

[Lord_Iggy]

Well, I could see an interesting situation arising. Gradually, the dynasty of the Telcontari would wane, and new nations would start to appear. Easterlings, Haradhrim, and more may press against the realm, in a sort of 'fall of Rome' way.

The existence of many non-human races remains in question, however.

 

[Dachs]

Easterlings, Haradhrim, and more may press against the realm, in a sort of 'fall of Rome' way.

The barbs would have a population advantage in this instance, given the extremely low population density of Middle-Earth as a whole, but the Restored Kingdom has enough economic power to remain head and shoulders above the rest. In order to erode that economic power, a new anti-Gondor power needs to rise (a la Sassanid Persia) that diverts revenue and resources into the wrong direction in a way that the Easterlings et al could not do.

If you were looking for the 'fall of Rome' way.

 

[Ninja Dude]

You could try to use one of the remaining Balrogs to cause some kind of conflict. Or you could have the two Blue Wizards that ventured East come back as some kind of evil force.

 

[human-slaughter]

Well bad news and good news.
Bad: I didn't save the first map correctly so I could continue the tracing.
Good: I started on a new map that has far Harad and Umbar so it will open for more opportunities.

Now lastly if anyone has any good websites besides the LOTR Wiki that chronicals information after the War of the Ring I would be very appreciative. I would also like ideas of how the United Kingdom may disentegrate into warring kingdoms so we could have a real NES set in the Middle Earth world.

PMs or posts in the thread works.

 

[Ninja Dude]

The Encyclopedia of Arda is pretty good if you're looking for knowledge of the LOTR universe. It might have some stuff about after the War, but to the best of my knowledge there is really not too much stuff written about stuff after the War of the Ring excluding the general declining of other races and some stuff Aragorn did.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Yeah. The elves left (not sure about the Elves of Mirkwood, however), the men declined more and more in years, the ents faded away, the Dwarves did the same... everyone except men and orcs were in pretty bad shape.

 

[Ninja Dude]

Should we take the actual development of this NES to the NES Development Thread?

 

[human-slaughter]

that would be great

 

[Supermath]

Does anyone know where I can find a map of the extent of the Taiping rebellion at circa 1860?

 

[Dachs]

Does anyone know where I can find a map of the extent of the Taiping rebellion at circa 1860?

Late Period Taiping had control of Hangzhou, Nanking, the northwestern part of Fujian, the eastern half of Jiangzi, virtually all of Zhejiang, and the southern half of Anhui. Note that they don't really have coastal power save for Hangzhou, so keep a Qing controlled band around the sea.

That's approximate, and I don't have the ability to upload a map, sorry. Does that help?

EDIT: Additional rebel uprisings during this time that you may wish to note: the Guizhou Miao uprising in southern Guizhou, the Yunnan Muslim rebellion in eastern Yunnan, and the Nian Rebellion in north Anhui and east Henan. If you're looking for 1860. The great Gansu Muslim uprising starts in 1863.

 

[Supermath]

Actually, that helped a lot.

And now, here is the map of the world, as of 1860. One quick note, I cheatred a bit and hastened the end of the Second Opium War. if there is one thing that NESers can't seem to do, it's set up a decent peace treaty within a reasonable abmount of time. Well, that and the fact that I'm lazy.

Also, if you find any errors, please let me know, as I intend to actually use this map.

Spoiler Earth, 1860 :

 

[Gelion]

http://homepages.wmich.edu/~hega/PSCI340/images/map11.jpg

 

[Disenfrancised]

@Supermath

-The Amazonian borders are wrong (you're using 2008 borders), and the rest of south america is off in a lot of places.
-Massive simplifications of the situation in India and Indonesia
-The Russo-Prussian border isn't right nor is the Austro-Russian
-Spain regained Jamacia?
-Egypts borders go foolishly south, including entering the Sudd :crazyeyes:
-The Germanies aren't quite right, but...who cares, its germany.
-Central Asia gives me a frowny face.
-No Zanzibar? Whats with South Africa? And the rest of Africa isn't that pretty either.

 

[das]

The Russo-Prussian border looks more or less alright, actually. Galicia should be fixed, though. For one thing, Krakow should be Austrian.

 

[Dachs]

That Kalat shape looks awfully familiar eh das?

 

[Supermath]

-The Amazonian borders are wrong (you're using 2008 borders), and the rest of south america is off in a lot of places.

It looks fine to me. The only major changes are Ecuador, Acre, Paraguay, the War of the Pacific, and the southern part of La Plata.

-Massive simplifications of the situation in India and Indonesia

I'm not sure what to do regarding the Princely States. They really weren't independent in their own right, yet they did have some autonomy. Perhaps I should do like I did with the Siam-controlled Malay States?

Also, what's simplified in Indonesia?

-The Russo-Prussian border isn't right nor is the Austro-Russian

The Russo-Prussian border looks more or less alright, actually. Galicia should be fixed, though. For one thing, Krakow should be Austrian.

Fixed. Though I really wish someone would have pointed out Krakow when I did the map of 1914.

-Spain regained Jamacia?

Oops. Meant to colour in Puerto Rico.

-Egypts borders go foolishly south, including entering the Sudd :crazyeyes:

Well, they did establish Khartoum thirty years prior. However, I did move up the border a bit. Also, I added in that port they had in Eritrea.

-The Germanies aren't quite right, but...who cares, its germany.

Yeah, Germany was somewhat simplified. Mainly because I'm not going to even try to exactly replicate this perfectly.

-Central Asia gives me a frowny face.

That required a lot of guesswork on my part, mainly due to there not being a lot of timely maps of the area. It didn't help that Russia pushed south another 20 miles each year.

-No Zanzibar? Whats with South Africa? And the rest of Africa isn't that pretty either.

Yeah, it seems I forgot about Oman. As for South Africa, I used this map, which should be accurate in that area. And I can't help you about the prettiness of continents. Take it to Slartibartfast, especially if you want more fjords.

That Kalat shape looks awfully familiar eh das?

Huh?

Also, map updated.

 

[Dreadnought]

Galicia still looks wrong-ish. It looks like a camel hump, while IRL it is more smooth.

 

[das]

That Kalat shape looks awfully familiar eh das?

I didn't actually notice until now. Awful sounds about right.

Galicia still looks wrong-ish. It looks like a camel hump, while IRL it is more smooth.

Not exactly. In fact, you should probably just shift the hump eastwards; Gelion's map is pretty good here.

 

[Disenfrancised]

It looks fine to me. The only major changes are Ecuador, Acre, Paraguay, the War of the Pacific, and the southern part of La Plata.

Well you're wrong:
-As of 1860 Peru has the northern half of Atacama
-Colombia and Venezuala lost big chunks of the amazon to Brazil (Ecuador lost a little bit) in 1905 that are missing on your map.
-Arce Border is wrong, and Ecuador wouldn't gain that lump of Northern Peru till 1880.
-Your missing the land cessitions of Paraguay (1870) and Argentina (1895) to Brazil
-The Ownership of Patagonia is still unsettled yes, but influnce extend much further, this is the time of Chiles townships in the Magellen strait and Argentina pushing down in the mountains where the natives were weaker (if anything you have the bend backwards as they had less near the coast and more near the andes).

I'm not sure what to do regarding the Princely States. They really weren't independent in their own right, yet they did have some autonomy. Perhaps I should do like I did with the Siam-controlled Malay States?

Whatever, maybe give them all one colour or something, but they are very important.

Also, what's simplified in Indonesia?

Everything . The situation in 1860 is much like the British in india, the Dutch control some areas but most of it is client states. Also the interior of Sumatra is completely uncontroled. Its not until after the 1870s that the Dutch began to consolidate things into a unified administration. Also they did have control of the Moluccas and islands on the Bandu sea (its what they were bloody there for after all).

Well, they did establish Khartoum thirty years prior. However, I did move up the border a bit. Also, I added in that port they had in Eritrea.

Yes but you had them pushing several hundred miles south into mountains and the worst swamp on the planet that they are still only lightly trying for in 1875.

That required a lot of guesswork on my part, mainly due to there not being a lot of timely maps of the area. It didn't help that Russia pushed south another 20 miles each year.

Well Khiva still probably controlled to the level of the Aral sea in 1860 (though its control of the west by the Caspian was very dubious), Kokand reached much further to the north and the Bukhara-Afghani border follow the contour of the highlands with Bukhara having a bulge into mainly what is now Turkmenistan rather than the finger you have it sticking into afghanistan, and they didn't go as far south into afghanistan as you have (though they got a big chunk).

As for South Africa,

I was more talking about its seeming rebellion from the British crown .

The Russo-Prussian border is still crazily smooth.

 

[Dachs]

Huh?

I didn't actually notice until now. Awful sounds about right.

Indeed. Courtesy of NES2 V, Supermath. Kalat (NPC, IIRC) went under to Thlayli's restored Safavid Persia during the first turn due to a marriage alliance and was promptly invaded by Greater Turkmenistan (silver2039, I think, though Grandmaster took over for him at one point). Kicked off the Great Central Asian War, which led almost directly to the Last Perso-Ottoman War and the destruction of Iggy's Ottoman Empire (the most powerful Ottoman Empire in NESing history IIRC ) due to him being on vacation. A summary of said Great Central Asian War can be found on the NES Wiki in the NES2 V article here.

As to the actual map you're making, Memel is a bit wrong. There should be a bit of a sharp curve east at the south of the Memel territory to denote extreme eastern East Prussia. And the border between Russia and Prussia still looks kinda smooth.