NES2 VI - Last Semblance of Order.

[Stormbringer]

Of course, Russia will accept to pay 1 eco to Scandinavia if France and Japan each pay 3 eco to Russia for the damages caused to Russia. If Russia has to pay 1 eco for a civil occupation of territory that resulted in no damage to it, then France and Japan will have to pay more for occupations that resulted in major damage to the area. If France and Japan accept this, we will gladly pay, otherwise there will be no reparations.

 

[Harleqin]

The government of the Scandinavian Union is considering this. We would still like a Russian counter though as well as a response on our demand on the island of Gotland and the Aaland isles. We do not wish to see islands so close to Scandinavian territory turned into massive bases for Russian troops or the Russian navy. It is a matter of our security. At the very least the Aalands must by given to Finland and Gotland to us.

 

[Insane_Panda]

We support the Union of Scandanavia on this point, and ask that the aforementioned islands are handed over to both the Union of Scandanavia and the Kingdom of Finland. If this is done, we are sure that the issue of reparations can be overlooked so that we can finally have peace.

 

[Stormbringer]

The issue of the islands was not included in the peace treaty. These islands are Russian and will remain Russian, and you have given us no reason to give them up.

On the issue of reparations we continue to stand firm. If we have to pay for occupation of land that caused no damages (or if we have to give up land as payment for occupation that caused no damages) then France and Japan will have to pay Russia more (or give up more land) due to the fact that their occupations resulted in severe damage to cities and infrastructure.

 

[Sheep]

I would like to take Poland, failing that I will continue planning the worldwide proletarian revolution.

 

[Insane_Panda]

NK claimed Poland after the peace treaty was posted.

 

[Stormbringer]

Reply to my diplo on the previous page Panda!

 

[Insane_Panda]

A Letter to Tsar Vladimir IV

Your Majesty,

What you say shakes every fiber of my body, and forces me to consider gravely the developments of the past few weeks. It is unfortunate that you, a sovereign and, what appeared to be sensible monarch, should take your nation down this road of destruction, and to allow your people to suffer as they will in a prolonged war with France.

France has at her hands the power to bring ruin to the Russian state, yet we, in an act of benevolence, proposed a peace, because we saw the suffering of the world, and because we ourselves grew tired of conflict. But though we grew tired of it, does mean that we could not sustain it, for sustain it we shall.

It is the duty of a Monarch to be the servant of his people, and you, with your blatant and irresponsible disregard of their condition, and of their safety, have failed to live up to that duty. Should Russia be forced down the path of your choosing, she shall not only find herself forced into what you call an "unacceptable" peace, but she shall also find herself destroyed - both from within and without, and you shall be completely at fault.

I, good sir, and noble monarch, do not accept your appeals, but rather, extend those very same appeals to your own good sense.

I urge you: save your nation, and your people, before it is too late, and before we are forced to extra-ordinary measures which shall make sure that you will have no chance at throwing away the lives of thousands of Russian citizens, and forever ruining your nation's economy.

Signed,
His Royal Highness, Julien-François I, King of France and Germany

 

[Insane_Panda]

A Letter to Chancellor Aleksey Bestuzhev

Dear Sir,

I respect and applaud your attempts to persuade your monarch to save what can be saved of the Russian Union. However, it is not always possible to reason with such men, men wrapped up in the grandeur of their past, and not able to reconcile such with the harsh realities of the present.

It is sad that such a man, who once lead your nation to greatness, has now decided to follow his path of unreality and blind-hope. I wish it were otherwise, but I believe that I must confer to your council, and support the extra-ordinary measures which you encourage of me. I shall voice my support of Mikhail, upon his ascension, in hopes that he, and you, noble chancellor, shall have the sense and will power to save your people, and to rebuild your nation within the parameters of the Treaty of Vienna.

I only wish you godspeed.

Signed,
His Royal Highness, Julien-François I, King of France and Germany

 

[Insane_Panda]

Reply to my diplo on the previous page Panda!

HAPPY?! ARE YOU HAPPY NOW THAT YOU'VE TAKEN SUCH PRECIOUS TIME FROM ME?!?!

Sheesh. WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE LEARN.

 

[Stormbringer]

Well, since you chose Bestuzhev over Slutsky my position on reparations remains the same. Once we figure out that we can sign the peace and I will write the story.

 

[Insane_Panda]

France wishes that a solution to the reparations payment is found. We believe that it is the perogative of the Union of Scandanavia to resolve the issue, though we do not think that it is an essential issue for this peace.

We do not wish that peace should be destroyed over such a trifle matter as this.

 

[Harleqin]

To: Russia
From: Scandinavia

The Union of Scandinavia would like to ask Russia if she would have been acting any different if she had been the occupied nation rather than the occupier whilst, at the same time, winning the war rather than losing it.

Russias defeat is inevitable. Is the price of tens of thousands of Russian lives really preferable to a peace coming so cheaply?
The islands we are asking for are vital to our defence and does not have a history of being Russian. The population on them is Scandinavian and the islands were belonging to Sweden only a few years ago.

It is the belief that Russia is acting with amazing stubborness, refusing to make any kind of reasonable peace agreement. Russias reference to the fact that the islands were not part of the initial peace treaty is invalid. Russia has rejected one part of the initial treaty and, upon consideration, the Scandinavian Union has altered its demands. Still Russia refuses.

Russian claims of having behaved civilized are also invalid. We did not make war upon Russia, yet Russia invaded us. We asked you to withdraw your troops and again you refused. The people have been occupied. Am I to tell my people that even though we stand victorious, we're just going to pretend nothing happened?

The Union of Scandinavia is a democratic republic. I do not not rule with absolute power.

Prime Minister Lentz

 

[Sheep]

I will claim the Kingdom of Hungary then.

 

[Stormbringer]

To: Russia
From: Scandinavia

The Union of Scandinavia would like to ask Russia if she would have been acting any different if she had been the occupied nation rather than the occupier whilst, at the same time, winning the war rather than losing it.

Russias defeat is inevitable. Is the price of tens of thousands of Russian lives really preferable to a peace coming so cheaply?
The islands we are asking for are vital to our defence and does not have a history of being Russian. The population on them is Scandinavian and the islands were belonging to Sweden only a few years ago.

It is the belief that Russia is acting with amazing stubborness, refusing to make any kind of reasonable peace agreement. Russias reference to the fact that the islands were not part of the initial peace treaty is invalid. Russia has rejected one part of the initial treaty and, upon consideration, the Scandinavian Union has altered its demands. Still Russia refuses.

Russian claims of having behaved civilized are also invalid. We did not make war upon Russia, yet Russia invaded us. We asked you to withdraw your troops and again you refused. The people have been occupied. Am I to tell my people that even though we stand victorious, we're just going to pretend nothing happened?

The Union of Scandinavia is a democratic republic. I do not not rule with absolute power.

Prime Minister Lentz

We must remind the Union of Scandinavia that parts of Russia have been occupied in this conflict and we simply seek to apply the same principle of reparations to all parts of this conflict and are not rejecting the idea of reparations as a whole.

Your continued threats will lead to nothing more than a breakdown of negotiations, and should that occure because of your continued reluctance to accept the same standard for reparations in this treaty I do assure you that the Russian occupation will quickly turn from a civilized one to a much less pleasant one, so I do suggest you stop the threats.

You argue that the islands have a history of being Scandinavian, but they are much more close culturaly to the Baltic areas which are remaining in the Russian Union. Even if your argument carried weight there is no reason what so ever to exchange territory based simply on history and tradition. If we do decide to base our territorial borders on history and tradition we would request that all other countries party to the agreement would do the same, and Denmark would allow Sweden independance which it historically and traditionally had.

Finally, you acuse us of initiating the war, but you were the power that invaded our ally - Sweden, and as a civilized power Russia was obliged to enter the war on Sweden's side. We have not done any damage to the occupied territories and they will be returned to Denmark as per the peace agreement.

I must re-itirate that we demand the same standrard to be used for reparations in all of the peace treaty. If Russia is obligated to pay reparations to Scandinavia for an occupation that resulted in no damages to cities or infrastructure than Japan and France are obligated to pay Russia at least three times the sum for the occupation and damages of Russian land.

Similarly, if Russia is required to give up land as retribution for the occupation, France and Japan will have to give up at least three times more land to make up for their occupations and damages to Russian cities and infrastructure.

 

[North King]

OOC: You speak like someone who isn't losing.

 

[Grandmaster]

He could always go down swinging, and take a few tens -- or hundreds -- of thousands of Scandinavian or allied soldiers with him. Like the Red Stick Confederation.

 

[das]

That's how real diplomacy works, you know.

Very good negotiations - interesting to read. But don't forget to PM me the ultimate version of the treaty with the orders, Panda.

 

[Symphony D.]

The Japanese Empire will note that the vast bulk of the 'damage' it has inflicted on Russia, chiefly to Ninguta, falls within territory that it itself will receive as part of the settlement, leaving Japan to rebuild the majority of these regions. Furthermore the remaining portions which were damaged during the course of combat were fairly useless to begin with and constitute a minor geographical area, making Russia's repeated claims of damages wrought by Japan, at least, rather exaggerated.

 

[Insane_Panda]

Russia's arrogance continues to astound the Kingdom of France.

Should Russia keep up with their ridiculous demands in the face of the Danish ones, then she shall find herself in a much more bitter situation. We remind the Russian Union that it has been defeated in this war. And that should it wish to attempt to continue a war, it will only be defeated again, and left in much more dire circumstances.

However, we ask that the Union of Scandanavia does not press the issue of reparations. France would like to see peace, and we do not believe that the issue of reparations, or the issue of the islands, presents much of an issue. France shall have naval bases in the baltic, namely Finland, and thus, the threat which the Union of Scandanavia fears shall be neutralized.

We again, remind Russia that the allied powers, in our willingness to negociate - at your request, no less, is an incredible act of gratuity on our part. We would hope that you do not wear our patience thin, and force us into extraordinary measures which would forever sweep away the chance for peace. However, we caution the same message to the Union of Scandanavia, and ask that it, in the interests of a peace which shall already severely limit the power of the Union of Russia, and shall leave Scandanavia possesions secure. We do not wish for war, and we believe that the peace, as we have already negociated it, is quite fair and we will not take kindly to Scandanavian attempts at trying to force our hand at this matter.