Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Game

[Kimiimaro]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 27
Berbers/Tuareg 18
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 21+1=22 - Practically only nations from this region we've ever had were Greece and Byzantium. Not counting Macedon, because it's Alexander's civ = Greece III. And we don't have many slavic nations either, just Russia and Poland, if I'm not mistaken. Serbia or Bulgaria, please!
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 24
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 29
Irish/Scottish 22
Khazars 4-3=1 - No major need for them with Scythia.
Kushans/Bactrians 17
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nepalese 23
Timurids/Other Central Asia 19

 

[Amrunril]

(Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 27
Berbers/Tuareg 19 (18 + 1) North Africa doesn't need representation as badly as sub-Saharan, but it would still be a good area to flesh out once the most obvious gaps are taken care of.
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 22
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 21 (24 - 3) Western Europe already has a large and diverse (in terms of culture,historical era, and gameplay), and while there will always be interesting ways to expand it further, there's much more variety to be gained by focusing on other regions first.
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 29
Irish/Scottish 22
Khazars 1
Kushans/Bactrians 17
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nepalese 23
Timurids/Other Central Asia 19

 

[Guandao]

(Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 27
Berbers/Tuareg 19
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 21
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 29
Irish/Scottish 22
Khazars 1-3=0 And Khazars are eliminated! Broken Chuvash....
Kushans/Bactrians (17+1)=18 An upvote mainly for the Kushans, who could have Kanishka as their leader. I'm guessing the Bactrians refer to the Greco-Bactrians..., The idea of a Hellenistic leader adopting Buddhism is pretty funny though
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nepalese 23
Timurids/Other Central Asia 19

 

[The Kingmaker]

Looks like the first "Benin" got clipped off the first entry.

Next player will need to add it back.

 

[Returning Lurker]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 27
Berbers/Tuareg 19
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 21
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 29-3=26
Irish/Scottish 22
Kushans/Bactrians 18
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nepalese 23+1=24
Timurids/Other Central Asia 19

I've literally been suggesting Nepal since Civ 5 G+K, I am so proud to see my babies have come so far in this vote, I hope to see them go further. Seeing as how we're most likely never going to get Tibet Nepal is the next best thing for our defensive mountain religious civ with high culture and tourism and an interesting and unique culture caused by their strategic position.

While I actually have lived in the Pacific North West for over a decade I never found their natives to be particularly interesting, I've visited many museums dedicated to their culture and their interactions with the USA, yet it never grabbed me the same way the Plains, South Western, South Eastern, or any other Native group did. Compared to other tribes their dealings with foreign encroachment seem pretty much passive save for a few very small scale clashes and as such they just seem like kind of a boring pick. The only thing that compels me to want their inclusion is "They haven't been included yet", and that's a weaker reason than I'd want anyone else on this list. I'm very surprised to see them leading.

 

[durfal]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 27
Berbers/Tuareg 19
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 18 (21-3) I want a Celtic tribe but then I would go with one that is still there (and it's better for sales too, many, many Scottish and Irish descendants in the US)
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 26
Irish/Scottish 23 (22+1) As stated above, but of these two I personally would like the Irish above the Scottish, mostly because the modern Gaelic Language/Culture (and not the Picts, who lived there much longer) originated from Ireland and came to Scotland during the Middle Ages.
Kushans/Bactrians 18
Maori/Other Polynesians 23
Nepalese 24
Timurids/Other Central Asia 19

 

[Xandinho]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 27
Berbers/Tuareg 19 - 3 = 16 It is just unnecessary, given that there are better options for Africa.
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 18
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 26
Irish/Scottish 23
Kushans/Bactrians 18
Maori/Other Polynesians 23 + 1 = 24 It is a good option for TSL, occupying the land mass of New Zealand and disputing power with Australia.
Nepalese 24
Timurids/Other Central Asia 19

 

[Siptah]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 27
Berbers/Tuareg 16
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 19 (18+1) Yes, the the Gauls, no to the Britons. Still deserves an up vote.
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 26
Irish/Scottish 23
Kushans/Bactrians 18
Maori/Other Polynesians 21 (24-3) I always fail be impressed by and interested in them. I tried to read up on them multiple times and found some stuff that interested me, but we have no leaders for these tribes. And I don't like the Maori, for which we have, that much.
Nepalese 24
Timurids/Other Central Asia 19

 

[The Kingmaker]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 27
Berbers/Tuareg 16-3=13 They probably interest me the least out of the remaining options.
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 22 Somebody accidentally deleted them, so I've added them back.
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 19+1=20 We're bound to get a Celtic civ one way or another. The question is, do you want a proper well-thought-out Gaulish civ, or the return of Welsh-kilt-woad-Boudica from Civ5?
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 26
Irish/Scottish 23
Kushans/Bactrians 18
Maori/Other Polynesians 21
Nepalese 24
Timurids/Other Central Asia 19

 

[Zaarin]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 27
Berbers/Tuareg 13
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 19 (22 - 3) -- I think we have as many Balkan civilizations as I care to see...
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 23
Gauls/Britons 20
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27 (26 + 1) -- Their cultural achievements were second to none; frankly we're already well-stocked on warrior cultures.
Irish/Scottish 23
Kushans/Bactrians 18
Maori/Other Polynesians 21
Nepalese 24
Timurids/Other Central Asia 19

While I actually have lived in the Pacific North West for over a decade I never found their natives to be particularly interesting, I've visited many museums dedicated to their culture and their interactions with the USA, yet it never grabbed me the same way the Plains, South Western, South Eastern, or any other Native group did. Compared to other tribes their dealings with foreign encroachment seem pretty much passive save for a few very small scale clashes and as such they just seem like kind of a boring pick. The only thing that compels me to want their inclusion is "They haven't been included yet", and that's a weaker reason than I'd want anyone else on this list. I'm very surprised to see them leading.

So you're literally arguing we should include factions based on their interactions with the United States...That seems exactly the wrong reason to include a Native civ. This is exactly why I don't want the Sioux or the Seminole: they had no significance beyond fighting wars with the US. Likewise no to the Cherokee, whose accomplishments were all centered around assimilating to white culture. The basis for including the Haida or Tlingit is not "they haven't been included yet" but "they haven't been included yet but they should have been." Accomplishments of the PNW natives: a) seafaring in dugout canoes; b) advanced artistic traditions easily the rivals of those of Egypt, Greece, etc. (not just visual arts, but also performing arts and oral literature); c) the highest population density in North America thanks to the abundant sea life and rich forests. No, the PNW natives were not particularly warlike (though fought small-scale wars, but nothing like the constant raids of the Eastern Woodlands or the Plains), and they mostly welcomed Europeans as trading partners--I don't see what that has to do with their inclusion.

 

[Returning Lurker]

So you're literally arguing we should include factions based on their interactions with the United States...That seems exactly the wrong reason to include a Native civ. This is exactly why I don't want the Sioux or the Seminole: they had no significance beyond fighting wars with the US. Likewise no to the Cherokee, whose accomplishments were all centered around assimilating to white culture. The basis for including the Haida or Tlingit is not "they haven't been included yet" but "they haven't been included yet but they should have been." Accomplishments of the PNW natives: a) seafaring in dugout canoes; b) advanced artistic traditions easily the rivals of those of Egypt, Greece, etc. (not just visual arts, but also performing arts and oral literature); c) the highest population density in North America thanks to the abundant sea life and rich forests. No, the PNW natives were not particularly warlike (though fought small-scale wars, but nothing like the constant raids of the Eastern Woodlands or the Plains), and they mostly welcomed Europeans as trading partners--I don't see what that has to do with their inclusion.

No, I'm not "literally arguing" that. Those are words you're putting in my mouth. I said, specifically, that the museums I went to were about their culture and interactions with the USA. Those were my exact words, that those are the museums I've been to. Not that their interaction with the USA is the entire basis for judging the merits of their culture, but that that is (a piece) of my firsthand experience with them and those first hand experiences did not enamor me to nearly the same extent as other native groups and further readings on top of those first hand experiences have continued to leave me unenthusiastic towards them.

 

[Zaarin]

No, I'm not "literally arguing" that. Those are words you're putting in my mouth. I said, specifically, that the museums I went to were about their culture and interactions with the USA. Those were my exact words, that those are the museums I've been to. Not that theit interaction with the USA is the entire basis for judging the merits of their culture, but that that is my firsthand experience with them and those first hand experiences did not enamor me to nearly the same extent as other native groups and further readings on top of those first hand experiences have continued to leave me unenthusiastic towards them.

My apologies for misinterpreting your post; it sounded like your argument was that they shouldn't be included because they didn't engage in major wars with the United States (which as I said is not a compelling argument, IMO). We all have different tastes and interests, so I can understand that argument. Personally, the elaborate social customs and beautiful artistic traditions of the PNW natives are the most compelling in the New World, but as long as we don't get a Plains* tribe I'll be happy.

*The Sioux specifically and the Plains in general are simply overrepresented in the media compared to other culture zones, and they probably had the least cultural achievements of their own. Plus the Plains were borderline uninhabited before the Spanish introduced horses and the Iroquois pressed the Sioux and others out of the Great Lakes while the US pushed them out of the Southeast.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 19 (22 - 3) -- I think we have as many Balkan civilizations as I care to see...

How many, actually? Athens (Greece), Sparta (Greece), Macedon (Alexander's civ = Greece). So we've got only Greece. And from earlier games Byzantium. That's two Balkan civs from all Civilization games. And no Bulgarians. No Romanians. No Serbians. No Slavic civs from this region. Actually, we don't have many Slavic civs, do we? Only Russia and Poland, if I'm not mistaken...

 

[Guandao]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 27
Berbers/Tuareg 13
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 19
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA (23+1)=24 They have a decently long history of sedentary settlement and agriculture, built impressive earthworks, had interesting cultural practices (the black drink). One of my favorite cultural regions in North America.
Gauls/Britons 20
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27
Irish/Scottish 23
Kushans/Bactrians 18
Maori/Other Polynesians 21
Nepalese 24
Timurids/Other Central Asia (19-3)=16 The Timurids would definitely be a Civ built entirely around one man, and I'm tired of those kinds of civs (see Macedon, Zulus, Huns, HRE), particularly if they are warmongers...

 

[Morningcalm]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 27
Berbers/Tuareg 13
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 19
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 24
Gauls/Britons 20 - 3 = 17 (Gauls we have sort of seen in the Civ's (admittedly blob-culture) Celts representations of the past, so unless they steer clear of all types of blue-painted warriors, we are likely to see a repeat there. And don't get me started on Britons. They are simply not a priority, even though they are interesting in their own ways as not yet represented in Civ...Also #civsowhite)
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27
Irish/Scottish 23
Kushans/Bactrians 18
Maori/Other Polynesians 21 + 1 = 22 (Unique and distinctive)
Nepalese 24
Timurids/Other Central Asia 16

 

[Returning Lurker]

My apologies for misinterpreting your post; it sounded like your argument was that they shouldn't be included because they didn't engage in major wars with the United States (which as I said is not a compelling argument, IMO). We all have different tastes and interests, so I can understand that argument. Personally, the elaborate social customs and beautiful artistic traditions of the PNW natives are the most compelling in the New World, but as long as we don't get a Plains* tribe I'll be happy.

Alright, so long as it was an honest mistake. And I suppose that I too should apologize, I was rather curt. Sorry, I don't mind people disagreeing me but I have an extremely short fuse when it comes to being misrepresented, even when it is my fault. And I do take some responsibility here. On review I admit my remark was awkwardly worded. I have a bad habit of constructing overly elaborate sentences with way too many clauses that end up trampling over one another and muddling the point.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 27
Berbers/Tuareg 13-3=10 - There wasn't any "Kingdom of Berbers/Tuareg", was it? I would rather see Morocco, Songhai or Mali again.
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 19+1=20 - Unrepresented region of Europe and lack of Slavic nations.
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 24
Gauls/Britons 17
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27
Irish/Scottish 23
Kushans/Bactrians 18
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Nepalese 24
Timurids/Other Central Asia 16

 

[Xandinho]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 27 + 1 = 28 Benin is very interesting, deserves a place in the game
Berbers/Tuareg 10 - 3 = 7 As I explained before, it is unnecessary and does not appeal to me.
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 20
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 24
Gauls/Britons 17
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 27
Irish/Scottish 23
Kushans/Bactrians 18
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Nepalese 24
Timurids/Other Central Asia 16

 

[Zaarin]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 28
Berbers/Tuareg 7
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 17 (20 - 3) -- No need to continue to balkanize the Balkans. While "they're European" is a rather limp excuse to not want a civ in game, I'm inclined to feel both the Balkans and the Slavs are adequately represented. If we must add more Eastern European nations, how about Hungary--which isn't in the Balkans and belongs to a linguistic affiliation that has never been represented in civ before?
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 24
Gauls/Britons 17
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 28 (27 + 1) -- An excellent opportunity to portray Native Americans as something other than "forest warriors," with a rich cultural heritage, a visually striking art style, and (assuming Tlingit is chosen) one of my absolute favorite languages in the world.
Irish/Scottish 23
Kushans/Bactrians 18
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Nepalese 24
Timurids/Other Central Asia 16

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria) 28
Berbers/Tuareg 7
Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans 17
Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA 24
Gauls/Britons 17
Georgians 23
Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA 29 (28 + 1) Not only culturally unique, but technologically innovative: seagoing dug-out canoe whaling, sophisticated net/shellfish harvesting techniques, plank and beam building construction to name a few.
Irish/Scottish 20 (23 - 3) By lumping them together, they become unattractive: IF they are included, they have to be separated. Then, it will be very hard to avoid coming up with 'popular' versions of them which are wildly inaccurate/inadequate. See Sir Walter Scott's romances or (shudder!) "Braveheart".
Kushans/Bactrians 18
Maori/Other Polynesians 22
Nepalese 24
Timurids/Other Central Asia 16