It’s a bug and they will already have it fixed in the next version
New Beta Version - April 14th (4/14)
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Murderologist
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So dont build minefileds..... check
I tried the update, and while some of the bugs were a bit annoying, the bugfixes and change in behaviours / opinion I found very enjoyable.
I'd like to touch on some points on from the update:
Spying: I'm going to have to disable spying until it's reworked, at the moment I feel it's completely out of control. I was getting techs stolen 5-6 turns after researching them in marathon (most AIs were on par with techs as they kept on stealing from everyone funily enough), and I had 0% chance to catch spies on advanced actions (12% to catch them when they steal with a constabulary and rank3 spy). I always want to leave spying on because I feel it's a good mechanic to help AIs that have fallen behind catch up in tech (or even me if the game went bad), but as a player I can only feel frustration with this aspect of the game. The opacity, the lack of interaction, how it completely deters you from placing great works outside the capital, how it makes huge map feel like you're getting dogpiled because people want your techs and sabotage / assasinate your GP. It also makes me want to kill poor Elizabeth every time I see her in my games. I feel in the end as it is right now it only detracts from my enjoyment of the game.
On another note, I think the tourism buffs should be tonned down quite a lot on buildings (I think it's fine for great work because these require a bigger commitment) I was at 3/4 influence levels with AIs with Rome when I was in late renaissance , and I had picked autocracy, fealty and imperialism, so no real touristical help aside from colosseums.
Regarding world congress, I 'm divided. I felt if the AIs don't like you they are very inclined to nay whatever you're proposing, even if they like it. I've seen AIs (who I was on good terms with) asking me for 5k deal value to vote yes on a sanction to a civ they have denounced and have been denounced by.
While I understand it makes sense to not go along the agenda of the one who is leading (as if the leader is proposing this resolution he probably stands to gain more than them), I feel this makes passing resolutions of any kind really hard unless you're a diplomatic civ like Austria or can get a lot of extra votes from another source (policies/wonders/religion). I understand naying proposals related to having more tourism by someone they recognize as a tourism leader, but some others I can't quite understand what leads them to decide on what they vote.
In any case, thank you for your great work on the mod to all the team.
I'd like to touch on some points on from the update:
Spying: I'm going to have to disable spying until it's reworked, at the moment I feel it's completely out of control. I was getting techs stolen 5-6 turns after researching them in marathon (most AIs were on par with techs as they kept on stealing from everyone funily enough), and I had 0% chance to catch spies on advanced actions (12% to catch them when they steal with a constabulary and rank3 spy). I always want to leave spying on because I feel it's a good mechanic to help AIs that have fallen behind catch up in tech (or even me if the game went bad), but as a player I can only feel frustration with this aspect of the game. The opacity, the lack of interaction, how it completely deters you from placing great works outside the capital, how it makes huge map feel like you're getting dogpiled because people want your techs and sabotage / assasinate your GP. It also makes me want to kill poor Elizabeth every time I see her in my games. I feel in the end as it is right now it only detracts from my enjoyment of the game.
On another note, I think the tourism buffs should be tonned down quite a lot on buildings (I think it's fine for great work because these require a bigger commitment) I was at 3/4 influence levels with AIs with Rome when I was in late renaissance , and I had picked autocracy, fealty and imperialism, so no real touristical help aside from colosseums.
Regarding world congress, I 'm divided. I felt if the AIs don't like you they are very inclined to nay whatever you're proposing, even if they like it. I've seen AIs (who I was on good terms with) asking me for 5k deal value to vote yes on a sanction to a civ they have denounced and have been denounced by.
While I understand it makes sense to not go along the agenda of the one who is leading (as if the leader is proposing this resolution he probably stands to gain more than them), I feel this makes passing resolutions of any kind really hard unless you're a diplomatic civ like Austria or can get a lot of extra votes from another source (policies/wonders/religion). I understand naying proposals related to having more tourism by someone they recognize as a tourism leader, but some others I can't quite understand what leads them to decide on what they vote.
In any case, thank you for your great work on the mod to all the team.
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youngsteve
King
I agree with spying. It is difficulty in reverse. The higher level you play, the easier it is to catch up. The opposite that should be happening. If you play in your comfort zone, whatever level that is, you will have all your techs stolen like you encountered, but if you play on a higher more difficult level, it doesn't matter as you just steal everyone elses, making the level so much easier. I don't think this is what the developers had in mind. Like you I am all for struggling civs/players catching up, but not like this. I suppose on the other hand all games now are competitive, with no one having superior troops for long. This must be even worse on longer games like epic/marathon.
BornDownUnder
Warlord
You know you play a game a tad too long when you have a dream that includes it (Or not enough seeing as I last played a couple of days ago)
Out of curiosity, what are the devs perception of the current implementation of Spying? Is the view on Spying one of tweaking or an overhaul being needed?
Out of curiosity, what are the devs perception of the current implementation of Spying? Is the view on Spying one of tweaking or an overhaul being needed?
pineappledan
Deity
Spying is currently in the process of being overhauled completely. You can submit feedback and suggestions in another thread. I’m on mobile, providing link is hard. It’s the front page
Good Ol’ Bender
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Although it's been reported that tourism is slightly overtuned atm (my only game this patch isn't CV oriented, so I can't yet give proper feedback), I'd like Museums to keep the buff. They need the value and it's thematic that the building boosts GW tourism. If people are now sour on the Circus, maybe just split the yields at 250 culture + tourism apiece, that way we're all happy.
Despite being an instigator for the tourism buffs, I understand if the majority dislike the tourism to culture specialists from Garden. I like the feature though, and think it might be better off distributed in other ways. Specialists getting tourism should be unique, so how about thematically incorporating into wonders? A few additions that shouldn't really upset the balance of anything:
Despite being an instigator for the tourism buffs, I understand if the majority dislike the tourism to culture specialists from Garden. I like the feature though, and think it might be better off distributed in other ways. Specialists getting tourism should be unique, so how about thematically incorporating into wonders? A few additions that shouldn't really upset the balance of anything:
- Globe Theatre - Free Great Writer, and all Writers gain +2 tourism
- Uffizi - Free Great Artist, and all Artists gain +2 tourism
- Broadway - Free Great Musician, and all Musicians gain +2 tourism
While I understand that it doesn't matter for winconditions because you can't build the project to end the game until much later, it does give benefits for conquering and trade routes. In the end to me it feels unnatural, IMO tourism is something that one should be actively trying to get (like a city conquest for domination, or a big alliance with a city state for DV), the fact that I get it just because doesn't sit well with me.
While for me it's not a deal breaker, it also means you'll have to be much more agressive / warmongering against other civs to stop them from winning cultural victories more frequently.
BornDownUnder
Warlord
Thank you guys, no idea how I missed it... I blame lack of caffiene first thing in the morning
Try this DLL.
Thank you!
The movement change is controlled in SQL not DLL. The DLL just updates rough terrain to be "blocks visibility" not "> 1 movement cost".
SuperNoobCamper
King
There seems to be a bug with the Roman legions pilum promotion dealing no damage, i'm playing with a couple of modmods so it maybe a mod conflict (i remember it was working fine some time ago); does anyone else experience this too or it goes to github?
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