Takagi Hiro
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I'll play a game and pursue that tree.
New Beta Version - April 9th (4/9)
- Thread starter Gazebo
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Mods;
Fast Aircraft Animations v3
Fortress Borders - Outposts v6
Global - Raze Major Capitals v2
Improvement - Airbases v12
Stealth Bombers Allowed on Carriers v2
Yet (not) another Earth Maps Pack v23
Crashing around turn 500ish.. player #2.
kaspergm
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I played with the new version, and I must say things are looking really good. The frequency of events in this one seems really close to the sweetspot - not too many events to become trivial (as in the 04-05 version) but also not too rare to become meaningless. Good job!
I found a few bugs:
- I chose the option to get -happiness on the wondering tribe event, but still didn't get the negative happiness (edit: Actually, that will need confirming, my happiness usually only updates after entering several cities, and I only checked for an immediate update, so it might have worked).
- I got the Ice Age event, but could choose the "Coal and Railroads are keeping us warm" option, even though I was in classical era. I suspect this is a bug?
- Got the Heat Wave event, and the option to pay 100 Gold was greyed out, even though I did have 100 gold. This was the first time the event triggered.
- Something odd is going on in my Top Panel! Is this a compatibility issue? I didn't suffer from this on earlier versions.
Finally, just a suggestion:
- The font colour used on greyed-out options seems a bit too dark. It's very hard to read what the text says. Perhaps try something a bit lighter?
I found a few bugs:
- I chose the option to get -happiness on the wondering tribe event, but still didn't get the negative happiness (edit: Actually, that will need confirming, my happiness usually only updates after entering several cities, and I only checked for an immediate update, so it might have worked).
- I got the Ice Age event, but could choose the "Coal and Railroads are keeping us warm" option, even though I was in classical era. I suspect this is a bug?
Spoiler :
- Got the Heat Wave event, and the option to pay 100 Gold was greyed out, even though I did have 100 gold. This was the first time the event triggered.
Spoiler :
- Something odd is going on in my Top Panel! Is this a compatibility issue? I didn't suffer from this on earlier versions.
Spoiler :
Finally, just a suggestion:
- The font colour used on greyed-out options seems a bit too dark. It's very hard to read what the text says. Perhaps try something a bit lighter?
JFD
Kathigitarkh
If Gazebo does want to lighten it, just find line 110 in EventChoicePopup and change SetAlpha(0.2) to the value of choice (0.1-1.0), and line 114 in EventChoicePopupCity. If you want to try that out yourself, kaspergm, those are found in My Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 5\MODS\(1) Community Patch\Core Files\CoreLua
ronsorrell
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Gothic_Empire
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I think I can declare with some safety that, for me, the negative events are unrecoverably anti-fun, at least before turn 100. In the first 50-ish turns, there's a guarantee of gaining 100 or so golden age points because of a comet, and then losing 250 a few turns later (negating essentially all golden age progress--i've never seen the "good omen" variant yet, which seems strange given the odds its reporting for a bad omen to pop up, but I play a lot of D20 games so I also know that chains of awful rolls just happen). This event set falls into the category "meh." It stinks, but it's not like it's aggressively screwing you over--delaying a golden age early on can be valid. It'd be nice if there was some early game options in this so that it felt like a game option instead of a smug DM.
But can we talk about some of the other events?
Building a granary almost always punishes you by depriving you of 50 food a few turns later, and this this often comes coupled with one of the many, many "welp, your farms are pillaged now" events--one of which makes repairing the farms a fools errand by changing farm output to one food (while unimproved flood plains sit at 3 food). The early game lesson to learn is that these negative events WILL happen, and that it's simply better not to invest in infrastructure until these things can be dealt with meaningfully (who the heck as 500 gold by turn 80? Shush up, Funak, we know you do, I mean normal players.)
I'd be okay gambling on these investments if the negative options had some kind of consolation prize, and if the preventative money sinks were something more than slightly lowering the odds of getting slapped in the face. I think it does very dubious things to the game to punish players for building farms and granaries. Are there cave-ins planned to punish us for building mines? =|
The random event where people show up at your borders, however, are genuinely interesting, engaging, and fun. I think that's, in general, a much better direction for the event mod, mostly because it agrees with the (somewhat flawed) premise of Civilization that time is a forward march through progress.
How about having the negative stuff be tied to social stuff?
"Droughts have pillaged all your farms and made you punch your keyboard!"
Grin and bear it <-- No. This is anti-fun.
Invest in the farms or whatever. (50% chance to pillage farms, 50% chance to gain +1 food on farms for 30 turns)
We'll need to ration food -- the clergy can deal with it. (-1 food, +main religion pressure, +faith)
This is an opportunity for us to come together as a people. (+1 culture per pillaged farm for 30 turns).
But can we talk about some of the other events?
Building a granary almost always punishes you by depriving you of 50 food a few turns later, and this this often comes coupled with one of the many, many "welp, your farms are pillaged now" events--one of which makes repairing the farms a fools errand by changing farm output to one food (while unimproved flood plains sit at 3 food). The early game lesson to learn is that these negative events WILL happen, and that it's simply better not to invest in infrastructure until these things can be dealt with meaningfully (who the heck as 500 gold by turn 80? Shush up, Funak, we know you do, I mean normal players.)
I'd be okay gambling on these investments if the negative options had some kind of consolation prize, and if the preventative money sinks were something more than slightly lowering the odds of getting slapped in the face. I think it does very dubious things to the game to punish players for building farms and granaries. Are there cave-ins planned to punish us for building mines? =|
The random event where people show up at your borders, however, are genuinely interesting, engaging, and fun. I think that's, in general, a much better direction for the event mod, mostly because it agrees with the (somewhat flawed) premise of Civilization that time is a forward march through progress.
How about having the negative stuff be tied to social stuff?
"Droughts have pillaged all your farms and made you punch your keyboard!"
Invest in the farms or whatever. (50% chance to pillage farms, 50% chance to gain +1 food on farms for 30 turns)
We'll need to ration food -- the clergy can deal with it. (-1 food, +main religion pressure, +faith)
This is an opportunity for us to come together as a people. (+1 culture per pillaged farm for 30 turns).
I played with the new version, and I must say things are looking really good. The frequency of events in this one seems really close to the sweetspot - not too many events to become trivial (as in the 04-05 version) but also not too rare to become meaningless. Good job!
I found a few bugs:
- I chose the option to get -happiness on the wondering tribe event, but still didn't get the negative happiness (edit: Actually, that will need confirming, my happiness usually only updates after entering several cities, and I only checked for an immediate update, so it might have worked).
- I got the Ice Age event, but could choose the "Coal and Railroads are keeping us warm" option, even though I was in classical era. I suspect this is a bug?
Spoiler :
- Got the Heat Wave event, and the option to pay 100 Gold was greyed out, even though I did have 100 gold. This was the first time the event triggered.
Spoiler :
- Something odd is going on in my Top Panel! Is this a compatibility issue? I didn't suffer from this on earlier versions.
Spoiler :
Finally, just a suggestion:
- The font colour used on greyed-out options seems a bit too dark. It's very hard to read what the text says. Perhaps try something a bit lighter?
Not sure re: Top Panel
re: Heat Wave, that option is greyed out because you need a tech (Civil Service IIRC) to get it. One of my plans going forward is to specify the TTs for those to be more explanatory (i.e. 'You lack the policy to choose this' or 'You lack the technology to choose this.'). All in good time.
G
Keep in mind that the initial set of events includes a disproportionate amount of negative events compared to the end goal set I have in mind. Once we fill out the event pool a bit more with positive/neutral events, things will feel less punitive. On the other hand, bad stuff does happen, and having to recover from a bad event from time to time feels natural and - to me - fair.
G
Gothic_Empire
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Fair, sure, but not really in the spirit of the rest of the game. Civ really does embody the idea of time being a forward march through progress. Let the negative events be negative but also have this spirit. Purely punitive stuff needs to come from other players. Settling a city for it's 3 wheat, farming those, and then learning that those wheat tiles with their granary are now producing one hammer each, or nothing at all, is never going to be fun, no matter what the dice could have rolled. Since Civ is partly a narrative of human history, at least let the droughts and such dip into how these bad events pulled people forward.
I've had one town with unusable farms for 60 turns of its 120 turn existence. I am certain that this sort of thing has happened in real life, but Civ has never been a game about that side of history.
On a side note, I think also that this is going to create bizarre, game-specific situations where you intended realism; "Oh, my city is starving because it's farms are all pillaged or producing one food each. Guess I'll build a settler." That's definitely not how avoiding starvation works.
Robynsegg
Chieftain
Can't dl CBP right now, problem with MEGA. Will try again in 10 minutes?
Error I am getting is:
45 min later, same error. Is it just me?
Error I am getting is:
45 min later, same error. Is it just me?
phantomaxl1207
King
Yeah those Farm Events seem annoyingly OP. Glad I didn't start getting those events till Medieval ( no Farms needed till than). Compare that with the Iroquois who don't need any tile improvements till Classical. Easy Game.
Another thing is that no Event is ever that Good to warrant such a thing.
Another thing is that no Event is ever that Good to warrant such a thing.
Gothic_Empire
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Mines will self-pillage too.
I dub this version number of CBP events: "Community Tile Pillaging Simulator."
BenchBreaker
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Mines will self-pillage too.
I dub this version number of CBP events: "Community Tile Pillaging Simulator."
later on you'll get forest fires that pillage lumber mills, then something(cant remeber) pillages villages too
Der_Zorn_gottes
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Where can I check how long events that last a certain amount of turns remain?
Tried the events screen that you get to with the big eventbutton in the top right of the screen?
Der_Zorn_gottes
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Not yet. Didn't notice either of those. Will check next time. Thank you.
kaspergm
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Makes sense. No rush. Just wanted to report in case!
BenchBreaker
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I just open the sql file in notepad++ and edit the file
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