pre-release info New Civ Game Guide: Russia

[Ryansinbela]

Not really

 

[Archanist]

I wonder if the Cossack doesn't replace Cavalry SPECIFICALLY so that your Keshiks don't immediately become Cossacks upon entering Modern.

My hunch is that armor counts as cavalry, so this is so Russia can have tanks.

 

[JNR13]

LOL not the fudging Stalinorgel?! Joke aside, interesting that here of all places they chose to break the pattern. The golden age of Russian arts in the 19th century would've been a great source of more GP, possibly making even more great works.

 

[Leucarum]

By the way, isn't the "Ageless" tag on the unique improvement another hint towards a 4th Age?

I was just wondering if that was going to send the forums into a tailspin. But there have been plenty of website errors thus far! @FXS_Sar - is ageless here a typo?

 

[stealth_nsk]

it's WILD to get a Russia that isn't expansion oriented. In a good way, because these bonuses are fun and reward players that expanded widely into the Tundra.

So effectively, they're a wide Civ in the sense that you get the most mileage out of them if you already went wide in earlier era's.

Civ7 definition of wide means having many cities and not so many towns. Which is kind of contradicts Russia having some bonuses for town. So yep, it's surely not wide.

Persia => Mongolia => Russia is a very interesting Swords to Plowshares pipeline as such.

I wonder if the Cossack doesn't replace Cavalry SPECIFICALLY so that your Keshiks don't immediately become Cossacks upon entering Modern.

They turn to regular modern cavalry units, similar to civs who don't have unique cavalry units.

By the way, isn't the "Ageless" tag on the unique improvement another hint towards a 4th Age?

Potentially it could be used that way, but generally it's just a standard that unique improvements should be marked as ageless. Just in case.

 

[SeelingCat]

Russian Uniques:

Prosveshchenie	Ability	Просвещение "Enlightenment; Education"	Specifically, a tenet of the Russian enlightenment, espousing "piety, erudition, and commitment to the spread of learning." Generally, the Enlightenment movement as a whole.
Serfdom	Civic		A feudal system where unfree peasants were tied to the land. Serfdom was the dominant form of peasant-nobility relationship in Russia starting in the 17th century.
Table of Ranks	Civic		A formal list of positions and ranks in the government introduced by Peter the Great, and creating a sort of aristocratic bureaucracy.
Samoderzhaviye	Civic	самодержавие "Autocracy"	Often used in the phrase tsarskoye samoderzhaviye "Tsarist Autocracy" to refer to the form of absolute monarchy wielded by the Russian Tsars, who were seen as the embodiment of political and religious authority in the country.
Emancipation Reform	Tradition		Refers to the Emancipation Reform of 1861, by which Emperor Alexander II abolished serfdom.
Westernization	Tradition		Coupled with the theme of Modernization, Westernization is used to describe the processes put in place by Peter the Great to reform many of the cultural and political institutions of the Russian Empire and remake them on Western European models.
General Moroz	Tradition	Генерал Мороз "General Frost"	A personified reference to the harsh Russian winters, which serve as significant obstacles to invading forces, including those of Napoleon and Operation Barbarossa. Also known in English as "General Winter."
Obshchina	Infrastructure	община "municipality, community"	A type of peasant communally-owned village community
Cossack	Military		A historically semi-nomadic people group originating from the steppe regions of Ukraine and southern Russia. They were often given special privileges in exchange for military service. Russian Cossacks played a vital role in the empire's expansion into Asia.
Katyusha Rocket Launcher	Military	катюша "diminutive form of Katya"	A type of rocket artillery fielded by the Soviet Union during World War II. Though fragile, they were cheap, easy to produce, and could be mounted on ordinary trucks for mobility.

 

[OzzyKP]

Yeah, the Soviet era unit is sorta allaying my fears about a fourth age, much as I hate to be a broken record on that topic.

It shouldn't.

Modern age ends with WW2, this is a WW2 unit. Definitely still room for a 4th age Soviet civ.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

It's weird that Russia is the first civ to not have a Civilian unit, it should definitely not be for want of options

 

[stealth_nsk]

Russian Uniques:

Prosveshchenie	Ability	Просвещение "Enlightenment; Education"	Specifically, a tenet of the Russian enlightenment, espousing "piety, erudition, and commitment to the spread of learning." Generally, the Enlightenment movement as a whole.
Serfdom	Civic		A feudal system where unfree peasants were tied to the land. Serfdom was the dominant form of peasant-nobility relationship in Russia starting in the 17th century.
Table of Ranks	Civic		A formal list of positions and ranks in the government introduced by Peter the Great, and creating a sort of aristocratic bureaucracy.
Samoderzhaviye	Civic	самодержавие "Autocracy"	Often used in the phrase tsarskoye samoderzhaviye "Tsarist Autocracy" to refer to the form of absolute monarchy wielded by the Russian Tsars, who were seen as the embodiment of political and religious authority in the country.
Emancipation Reform	Tradition		Refers to the Emancipation Reform of 1861, by which Emperor Alexander II abolished serfdom.
Westernization	Tradition		Coupled with the theme of Modernization, Westernization is used to describe the processes put in place by Peter the Great to reform many of the cultural and political institutions of the Russian Empire and remake them on Western European models.
General Moroz	Tradition	Генерал Мороз "General Frost"	A personified reference to the harsh Russian winters, which serve as significant obstacles to invading forces, including those of Napoleon and Operation Barbarossa. Also known in English as "General Winter."
Obshchina	Infrastructure	община "municipality, community"	A type of peasant communally-owned village community
Cossack	Military		A historically semi-nomadic people group originating from the steppe regions of Ukraine and southern Russia. They were often given special privileges in exchange for military service. Russian Cossacks played a vital role in the empire's expansion into Asia.
Katyusha Rocket Launcher	Military	катюша "diminutive form of Katya"	A type of rocket artillery fielded by the Soviet Union during World War I. Though fragile, they were cheap, easy to produce, and could be mounted on ordinary trucks for mobility.

You have a typo - it's World War II

 

[Leucarum]

Ok.. So far modern era is exceeding my expectations. Admittedly these were very low... I wasn't expecting to like France or Russia, but I'm kinda into both... Good job Firaxis. So far, only America has been a dud for me in modern... (Edit: And Qing. So bland I'd forgotten they had even been revealed).

 

[SeelingCat]

You have a typo - it's World War II

Thanks - should be fixed now. That's what I get for typing too fast I guess!

 

[Lord Lakely]

Civ7 definition of wide means having many cities and not so many towns. Which is kind of contradicts Russia having some bonuses for town. So yep, it's surely not wide.

That is factually untrue. Rome is a wide expansionist Civ and specifically focuses on many Towns feeding one giant capital City. No one in their right mind would describe them as a Tall civ.

Wide means many settlements no matter the label.

 

[Evie]

1: It's specifically the French Empire, a specific era in French history, while for Russia it's NOT the Russian Empire (which ended in 1917), but the Russian nation across both its imperial and Soviet eras.

Which WOULD be a good point except that the "French Empire" is a mix of abilities and uniques from Ancien Régjme France, the First Republic, the First French Empire, the Second French Empire and the Third Republic, and specifically mentions both the first and third republics in its description.

So, no, the "French Empire." is not the French Empire.

 

[Franks]

By the way, isn't the "Ageless" tag on the unique improvement another hint towards a 4th Age?

I want to believe

 

[LunarRepublic]

LOL not the fudging Stalinorgel?! Joke aside, interesting that here of all places they chose to break the pattern. The golden age of Russian arts in the 19th century would've been a great source of more GP, possibly making even more great works.

My guess is Firaxis didn't want to glorify Russian culture too much, considering current events. Having Russia as a playable Civ is already sensitive enough.

 

[stealth_nsk]

That is factually untrue. Rome is a wide expansionist Civ and specifically focuses on many Towns feeding one giant capital City. No one in their right mind would describe them as a Tall civ.

Wide means many settlements no matter the label.

I believe on the stream developers discussed that the city/town ratio is the new tall/wide. And yes, expansionist Civ could focus on towns, because expansionist doesn't mean wide anymore.

 

[Lord Lakely]

I believe on the stream developers discussed that the city/town ratio is the new tall/wide. And yes, expansionist Civ could focus on towns, because expansionist doesn't mean wide anymore.

y-yes? I'm not sure that relates to my previous post, exactly? (where is Patine where you need him. I COULD use his pedantry and reading comprehension skills about now)

My POINT was that Russia is supposed to be swapped into when you *already* went wide and spammed Settlements everywhere in Antiquity and Exploration. You're supposed to have many Settlements going into the Modern age when you pick Russia and are rewarded for it with scaling Science and Culture bonuses. They're an end point for Expansionist playstyles.

That's what I meant with "it is wild they're not expansionist". The expansion happens BEFORE you become Russia. That's the clever bit.

 

[stealth_nsk]

y-yes? I'm not sure that relates to my previous post, exactly? (where is Patine where you need him. I COULD use his pedantry and reading comprehension skills about now)

My POINT was that Russia is supposed to be swapped into when you *already* went wide and spammed Settlements everywhere in Antiquity and Exploration. You're supposed to have many Settlements going into the Modern age when you pick Russia and are rewarded for it with scaling Science and Culture bonuses. They're an end point for Expansionist playstyles.

That's what I meant with "it is wild they're not expansionist". The expansion happens BEFORE you become Russia. That's the clever bit.

My reply was on the specific post on wide/tall definition, not the one about Russia not being expansionist.

Regarding the latter point - we still have expansionist modern civs, i.e. America, so I don't think the argument is correct. It's just Firaxis decided to focus on other aspects of Russia in this game.

 

[Seek]

That is factually untrue. Rome is a wide expansionist Civ and specifically focuses on many Towns feeding one giant capital City. No one in their right mind would describe them as a Tall civ.

Wide means many settlements no matter the label.

All civs should be expanding to their Settlement Limit whenever possible.

Boris stealth_nsk is correct here, Wide means many mid-sized cities, and Tall is 3 or fewer large cities fed by many towns - there are a number of Attribute perks that cut off at 3 cities.

 

[Gen.Washington]

I'm glad the Cossack isn't a replacement. It's a great unit choice, but having it replace the T-34 would have been tragic.

I don't think cavalry is going to be replacing tanks period.