pre-release info New Civ Game Guide: Russia

[AriochIV]

It affects the possibility of a Soviet civ popping up in a hypothetical 4th age, I think. Everything else about the civ revolves around Imperial Russia which lasted until 1917.

Modern Age covers through the end of WWII, and so all the tier 3 Russian stuff is going to look Soviet, and we've already seen that with the T-34. The addition of the Katyusha doesn't change anything.

 

[untitledjuan]

1: It's specifically the French Empire, a specific era in French history, while for Russia it's NOT the Russian Empire (which ended in 1917), but the Russian nation across both its imperial and Soviet eras.

2: It potentially opens the opportunity for a "France" 4th era civ.

1. Except, it isn't. Many, if not most, of the Unique Features for France in Civ7 do not come from the specific time period of the either the First or Second French Empires. They have elements from the republican period and even from the royalist pre-revolutionary period. If they really wanted to focus on the period of the French Empires, they wouldn't have included those other elements.

2. I think it is more likely that they add a Medieval France civilization for the Exploration Era, or else America would have been called "Colonial America" or something like that.

 

[Evolena]

Introducing Modern Age civ, Russia!​

Check out the full game guide for more info & civic trees: https://civilization.2k.com/civ-vii/game-guide/civilizations/russia/

From the https://civilization.2k.com/civ-vii/en-GB/game-guide/civilizations/ page, the Russia button leads to the French Empire page (and the Inca and Ming still lead to the Mongolia page).

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Modern Age covers through the end of WWII, and so all the tier 3 Russian stuff is going to look Soviet, and we've already seen that with the T-34. The addition of the Katyusha doesn't change anything.

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I'm only talking about the uniques. If they were eventually planning on having a future 4th age surely, they would have saved the Katyusha for one of the units of a Soviet civ?

 

[Krajzen]

I like this design of Russia, I may even play it.

I like its ability focusing on science and culture instead of hurr expansionism - though it's fairly... passive.
I like Obshchina for being really interesting idea of an improvement, instead of some cliche suggestions
I like Katyusha as a unique unit, coincidentally it's exactly what I imagined some time ago as Russian UU.
I don't like Cossacks, because I don't get Firaxian obsession of always making them Russian UU, plus they have very boring bonus.

By the way it is worth pointing out that we have a combination of imperial Russia with the Soviet era military unit, so one doesn't need to be too orthodox purist in this regard

Overall, this design of Russia is roughly how I imagined Firaxis to gently handle modern political climate: Russia is present on release like usual, and it's simply "Russia" without any weird shenanigans, but its bonuses focus on economic and cultural front, not on expansion, military and conquering other civs

 

[AriochIV]

I'm only talking about the uniques. If they were eventually planning on having a future 4th age surely, they would have saved the Katyusha for one of the units of a Soviet civ?

I'm not arguing for or against the eventual addition of a fourth Age, but...

1. A fourth Age Soviet Union's unique unit shouldn't be from the third Age, which the Katyusha is.
2. A fourth Age Russia doesn't have to be the Soviet Union.
3. A fourth Age doesn't have to have a Russian civ at all. There isn't one for the first two Ages.

 

[Xyael]

Well, terminology could be controversial, but I believe the idea itself is beautiful. The game has more or less similar expansion rate, which allows managing game pace. But at the same time, you could have different civilization structure (wide/tall or whatever it should be called) within the same territory.

Have many town with fes cities is actually play tall in civ 7

 

[Krajzen]

1. A fourth Age Soviet Union's unique unit shouldn't be from the third Age, which the Katyusha is

But afaik third age goes until early 70s tech, so well past world war II... And arguably past the best time of the Soviet Union (late 50s and 60s - since 70s were already a time of slow economic decline into the crisis of 80s)

 

[AriochIV]

But afaik third age goes until early 70s tech, so well past world war II... And arguably past the best time of the Soviet Union (late 50s and 60s - since 70s were already a time of slow economic decline into the crisis of 80s)

We don't know for sure, but with the exception of the Rocketry tech and the Apollo project, the tech tree doesn't appear to go past the end of WWII. There are no jets, for example, which were already ubiquitous by the 1950's.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'm not arguing for or against the eventual addition of a fourth Age, but...

1. A fourth Age Soviet Union's unique unit shouldn't be from the third Age, which the Katyusha is.

I agree. Either way including one unit from the Soviet era, when it could have just been an Imperial era civilian unit, seems telling.

1. A fourth Age Russia doesn't have to be the Soviet Union.
2. A fourth Age doesn't have to have a Russian civ at all. There isn't one for the first two Ages.

It would be strange if it didn't show up considering the impact it had on the whole 20th century. Not that I want a future 4th age, or them to appear.

 

[AriochIV]

I'm not arguing here, merely expressing a thought:

A hypothetical fourth Age would probably extend well into the near future, and so the three tiers could be roughly the Cold War, the Information era (the present), and the Near Future. In that kind of scenario, the Soviet Union would be only tier 1.

 

[Wohlauf]

Germany could get the Eindecker as a biplane fighter replacement at about half way through the techs.

Also, the WW2 era aircraft is the last tech. We will almost certainly not get a unique WW2 era aircraft.

The Eindecker was something I was unfamiliar with. It would certainly be an inspired choice, but following the trends of what UUs Firaxis has chosen, a German biplane replacement would most likely be the Red Baron's triplane. Though for either one, I would prefer it be used a cultural appearance for the standard unit, as opposed to being a UU.

As far as not seeing a WW2 aircraft UU, I'm not sure I agree, at least not fully. If we did see one, it would probably replace the WW1 respective unit too, solving part of the problem. The other half of that problem is modern stuff showing up too early, but that already seems to be the case with the Marines and Katyushas. And on the other side, the Garde Imperiale and Siamese Elephants seemingly destined to linger around until the prospect of rocketry. Though I suppose that half of it is only subjectively a problem, probably closer to a nitpick.

 

[j51]

Though I suppose that half of it is only subjectively a problem, probably closer to a nitpick.

I think it’s problem lol. Honestly the UUs should only be around for roughly half an age with the latter half units being stronger to compensate for their lateness.

 

[Krikkit1]

But afaik third age goes until early 70s tech, so well past world war II... And arguably past the best time of the Soviet Union (late 50s and 60s - since 70s were already a time of slow economic decline into the crisis of 80s)

Third age victory projects are all 1961 or earlier
1961: Manned space flight
1952: Operation Ivy
1944: World Bank
1791-Present: World Fair

 

[Leucarum]

And that's the perfect place to stop IMO.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Have many town with fes cities is actually play tall in civ 7

Honestly, I don't know yet. Also, this could change with things like map size. Too little info so far.

 

[stealth_nsk]

I'm not arguing for or against the eventual addition of a fourth Age, but...

1. A fourth Age Soviet Union's unique unit shouldn't be from the third Age, which the Katyusha is.
2. A fourth Age Russia doesn't have to be the Soviet Union.
3. A fourth Age doesn't have to have a Russian civ at all. There isn't one for the first two Ages.

Yes, but Russia plays pretty important role in the world politics, not to mention geographic spot it takes. If 4th age would happen, I more or less expect it to be in.

I'm not arguing here, merely expressing a thought:

A hypothetical fourth Age would probably extend well into the near future, and so the three tiers could be roughly the Cold War, the Information era (the present), and the Near Future. In that kind of scenario, the Soviet Union would be only tier 1.

Yes, all previous Civ games had some bite of near future. I really expect the hypothetical 4th age to do the same.

 

[George Abitbol]

My reply was on the specific post on wide/tall definition, not the one about Russia not being expansionist.

Regarding the latter point - we still have expansionist modern civs, i.e. America, so I don't think the argument is correct. It's just Firaxis decided to focus on other aspects of Russia in this game.

 

[Aristotle Kzin]

I find it somewhat ironic that, of the so far released civs, Russia is the only one that merits the 'Scientific' tag! Not arguing with Soviet Russia getting the tag - but pre-20th Century Russia? Or am I being (culturally) ignorant?

 

[MasterPaw]

Again, why is the French civilization refered to as "French Empire" when they are using just "Russia" as a name for the Russian civilization? If they really wanted to avoid associating with modern existing countries, I bet that distancing themselves from Russia and using a different term would have been something they wanted to do (especially considering the current war in Europe).

I find it great that they just went with using the name "Russia", as they have done with Spain, Greece, Egypt, America, Mexico, etc. They should really considering renaming the "French Empire" and just go by the name "France"

There is not only modern countries to distance from
It's more likely it's to have difference from age 2, as there could be a French kingdom , but age 2 Russia could be novgorod or muscovy