If true then the new Civilizations would breakdown like this:
Mali - Mansa Musa
Hungary - Arpad
Colombia - Simon Bolivar
Inca - Atahualpa
Maori - Tāwhiao
Ottomans -Roxelana
Burma - Anawrahta
Noongar - Midgegooroo
England or France - Eleanor
I doubt this list is true.....Like Firaxis would want to risk upsetting the Noongar with their leader portrayal. And another Southeast Asian Civ? That's not Vietnam?
Arpad wouldn't be my first choice for a Hungarian leader....
The only thing I like on this list is Mali/Mansa Musa. The Inca have a horrid leader choice, I don't know who Tawhiao is, and while I can tolerate Roxelana as Ottoman leader, it's sure to piss off many people.
Where's my Maya!!!!! No Babylon, Ethiopia, Portugal, Carthage, Byzantines also.
So a non-native, non-ruling woman who's good at espionage and scheming who is picked over much more appropriate native, ruling male leaders? Firaxis wouldn't do that, would they?
I don't think this is legitimate. It has just enough rational inclusions to be possible, but some of these choices seem absolutely bizarre. On the plus side, if it is real, it's enough confirmation for me that we're getting a third expansion. There's no way some of these civs are making it in while certain other civs (Portugal, Carthage, the Maya, Ethiopia, etc.) are left out.
Intriguing list. I'd be quite disappointed if this turned out to be true (no Italy!) so I might be biased, but I'm sceptical. Noongar and Maori in the same expansion seems crazy. And I still don't really see Eleanor as likely to be anything other than a scenario leader (though don't get me wrong, I love her and would actually really like to see her in the game).
Then again, we did get a few leftfield choices last time, and as others have said this list has just the right mix of returning big names (Mali, Ottomans, Inca), plausible newcomers (Colombia, Hungary, Maori - already seems likely, Burma), dubious female leaders (Eleanor, Roxelana) and a completely unexpected choice no-one saw coming (Noongar).
If true then the new Civilizations would breakdown like this:
Mali - Mansa Musa
Hungary - Arpad
Colombia - Simon Bolivar
Inca - Atahualpa
Maori - Tāwhiao
Ottomans -Roxelana
Burma - Anawrahta
Noongar - Midgegooroo
England or France - Eleanor
That's certainly an interesting list. I remember another 'leak' from not too long ago that went along the lines of this expansion having 6 new civs and 2 returning ones so either one of or both of them have to be wrong. I'm definitely skeptical of this info too (especially breaking an NDA) but, assuming it is true, I'd be thrilled to have Mali show up with Mansa Musa! Having the Inca and Ottomans return now would also be great (though I'd prefer Mehmed II or Suleiman over Roxelana and I'm not that familiar with Atahualpa). I'd also be pleased to see Hungary since they with the Maori are in my top 5 brand new civs. Colombia and Burma would be nice additions too. I'd be a bit disappointed about the lack of an NA or another African civ though. Those regions still have massive holes.
Second of all, some of these choices aren't realistic, like at all. The inclusion of Noongar on this "spoiled" list is very dicey. We already have Australia AND Maori (as per the first leak) and besides, isn't speaking the names of the deceased a massive taboo in aboriginal culture? The elders can't be pleased if a dead chief is repped in a video game, and I doubt Firaxis would go there again after Creegate.
It's one of the things that has me thinking this isn't real. I thought the Australian aboriginals were against speaking of past ancestors and I don't know if that's something that varies from group to group.
If this leak is real (hopefully not), I just like to imagine how conflicted feelings will have the people who hate female leaders but want Ottoman Empire at the same time
Actually that list if real would make me feel that it's even more likely that we'd see more content, after what is after all still a theoretical and rumored Next Expansion.
Agreed. If this somehow is real then I'd say we're practically guaranteed to get another expansion at least. There would still be too many classic civs missing and holes in the map even after this expansion and I'd rather not think that the Cree are the only native NA civ, Sumeria the only Mesopotamian civ, Mali and Zulu as the only Subsaharan African civs, etc.
With Arpad as leader I'd think they will be very warlike and have a horse archer as UU which perhaps argues against the list being true as we have 2 other civs in that niche already and Hungary has plenty of other potential leaders with other strings to their bow.
I remember another 'leak' from not too long ago that went along the lines of this expansion having 6 new civs and 2 returning ones so either one of or both of them have to be wrong .
Technically, Mansa Musa was in Civ IV, so wouldn’t that mean there are 3 returning Civs? I guess they could have just been talking about returning Civs from Civilization V though.
Seriously considering not following this thread anymore. I really don't want to be spoiled like that. For the most part, the Rise and Fall civs were a total unknown to me, and I liked the pleasant surprise of finding out about each one.
If people do post a list like that, maybe use spoiler tags. Granted this thread is all about speculation, but I don't actually want to be spoiled. I may not read this thread anymore actually.
I'm quite disappointed at having all the civs spoiled like that.
Yea, most likely, but if one of the other leaders in the list show up on the 2nd first look, it will lend a lot of credibility to it. That being said, I'm leaning towards fake.
My bad, I can't believe I forgot about Kongo! I'm fairly certain that Nubia counts as Saharan. So I guess it isn't quite so dire with 3 Subsaharan civs but there's no doubt that they could still use a few more at least.
Technically, Mansa Musa was in Civ IV, so wouldn’t that mean there are 3 returning Civs? I guess they could have just been talking about returning Civs from Civilization V though.
Good point though I would've thought they'd mean any civ from the previous games and not just Civ 5. That would technically make the Khmer a new civ too.
I wouldn't mind a spoiler thread though admittedly this thread is talking about an expansion that hasn't even been announced yet anyway.
Noongar is definitely a strange potential addition but I honestly don't think any civ is impossible given some of the ones we've gotten in the game so far (Australia is kind of an odd pick and I had never even heard of the Mapuche before this game).
If true then the new Civilizations would breakdown like this:
Mali - Mansa Musa
Hungary - Arpad
Colombia - Simon Bolivar
Inca - Atahualpa
Maori - Tāwhiao
Ottomans -Roxelana
Burma - Anawrahta
Noongar - Midgegooroo
England or France - Eleanor
Don't know how I feel about this? There was a leak earlier that said we would get two returning Civs and this doesn't look like the case because we've had Ottomans, Inca and Mali before which Mansa Musa is the only leader I like out of the other options. Roxelana never ruled and Athaualpa only ruled for a couple of months before the Spanish overthrew the Inca.
The Maori is believable and I certainly would like Simon Bolivar.
Burma is interesting, as I thought Vietnam would be the more likely candidate for the region. Also I find it hard to believe that we will get Aboriginals from Australia, but I could be wrong. I thought we would never get Georgia.
If Roxelena was in, I would not be happy. I love having female leaders in the game, but Roxelena was a very controversial figure, and hardly the worthiest Ottoman leader (unlike, say, Hatshepsut for Egypt, Catherine for Russia, etc). Eleanor is also disappointingly Eurocentric--we would get two secondary leaders of three being European.... Happy with Mansa Musa, Simon Bolivar and Tāwhiao, if true.
Something tells me the leak is off though--why would the Noongar be in when Australia is already in?
If true then the new Civilizations would breakdown like this:
Mali - Mansa Musa
Hungary - Arpad
Colombia - Simon Bolivar
Inca - Atahualpa
Maori - Tāwhiao
Ottomans -Roxelana
Burma - Anawrahta
Noongar - Midgegooroo
England or France - Eleanor
Mali I think will be in the expansion; I didn't know what the fuss about Mali and Mansa Musa was until I saw Extra History, now I'm on the train of "this needs to be in the game." so I think this Civ will be likely.
Hungary... I think this Civ is likely, but it won't be the only European Civ. This will be a "new" Civ to the series and a popular inclusion. The Hungarian translation is also possible as Poland was introduced for the first time in Civ5 G+K which also introduced Polish translation I think?
Colombia - I think this one is possible. Defiantly one that fans wanted, but I think they will not include both Colombia and the Inca in the same expansion and no North American Civ. Provided we get third expansion, Inca and Colombia will be split.
Inca - Definitely a fan favourite missed out. I think this one is more likely to be in the game then Colombia. But if Colombia get into this expansion; Inca would surely be in EXP3.
Maori or some other Polynesian will be in this expansion if the other leaks are true - Polynesia were definatly a fan favorite in Civ5 and with some new water improvements and/or district, it would defiantly suit a new water based Civ (unless they are a purely land-war-based Maori)
Ottomans are a fan favourite requirement to the series, I'm sure they will be in this expansion but if not, I'm sure it will confirm a EXP3.
Burma - this is a Civ I called (More specifically Pagan), and the same leader too. This will defeinatly help represent a new Civ in the expansion and will be one of the only possible East Asian Civs that I think could make it into the game. (the only other notable Civ I think could make it in in this region is Vietnam)
Noongar - I wanted an aboriginal in Civ to counter modern/colonial Australia but if doubt we will get that in the same expansion as Polynesia. I very very very much doubt that this leak is real if we get specifically "Maori" (New Zealand) as we would of had two Civs from Oceania in one expansion when we would of had none from North America and only 1 from Europe, 1 from the Middle East and 1 from East Asia.
North America: 0
South America: 2
Europe: 1
Africa: 1
Middle East: 1
East Asia: 1
Oceania: 2
I find these numbers very very unbelievable
Of course Eleanor would be interesting if they made her an Alternative leader for both England and France (as both have been requested to get new leaders so this is two birds with one stone) but I have a bit of doubt that they would actually make her available for two. And besides... without knowing what her leader ability would be, I would prefer Queen Elizabeth I and Napoleon Bonaparte.
So in conclusion; I really do think Europe will get 2 Civs; Hungary is possible but I really do think we will get Portugal in this one. Sweden is likely too but would only feature if there was more diplomacy added in this expansion. Italy of some form is also highly requested but still doubtful. (The expansion name helps a little but not much). North America must get a Civ in this expansion, I guess the Maya could count towards this? I would still like to think they will get bonuses to early warnings of natural disasters. South America will only get 1 Civ, likely the Inca. Ottomans are a given. Mali is much requested. Burma plausible. Noongar AND Maori is a definite no go for me - I would think that instead of Noongar, we get a Mediterranean Civ instead in the form of Morocco or Carthage.
About the person who leaked...
He/she does have created a new account today with only 2 posts about this leak. It is not weird that a leak will happen from a new account, for keeping his/her identity secret. But did he really keep his identity secret... ???
Not really... He/she does give away who he/she is by specific information (hungarian working as translator). If correct, Firaxis can filter out the Hungarian(s) out that work as translator (probably not many if correct) and easily find out who he/she is and sue him/her for breaking NDA. If it is not correct how trustworthy is the remaining part.
If true then the new Civilizations would breakdown like this:
Mali - Mansa Musa
Hungary - Arpad
Colombia - Simon Bolivar
Inca - Atahualpa
Maori - Tāwhiao
Ottomans -Roxelana
Burma - Anawrahta
Noongar - Midgegooroo
England or France - Eleanor
Well this is interesting (provided it's true). I expected to see at least 10 new civs as well, but 8 is a decent number, plus an additional leader. If this is true, then I'm really happy to see Mansa Musa leading Mali! Thank you to the devs! Also glad to see the Inca made it, but can easily think of better leader choices...Better than nothing, I guess. As for Colombia, I wanted the Muisca Confederation, so feel cheated into getting yet another colonial civ, and I've never been a fan of colonial civs. As for the rest...Hopefully the call the Ottomans the Turks. Burma is a cool choice. Hungary is ok, but had other civs in mind. Maori...As I've explained before, I would much much prefer Tonga or Samoa.. The Noongar? They were never a civ ~ Might as well add the African San people...They better be a real niche civ. I love niche civs, so if they make them really niche I will be ok with them as a playable civ.
All in all, this list would give us some of the missing classics (though not all), but with some of the new ones I feel they missed the mark, and left out some great choices that the fans have been asking for. Where are the Maya, for instance? What about Ethiopia, Assyria, Babylon, Portugal, and the Iroquois? That's a bunch of missing classics right there that will all be sorely missed, so they could have added at least a couple more before going for ideas such as Hungary, Colombia, and the Noongar.
If they wanted to add new civs for the sake of more niche options, and they are happy to go for a people that are as primitive as the Noongar, then they really could have gone for the Inuit instead - a guaranteed niche civ.
So with that said, you will understand why part of me hopes this list is correct (like the part of me wanting to see Mali with Mansa Musa), and another part of me really hopes that it isn't. Although it does have a few really good ones, this list could be so much better than it is.
Well there are plenty of good reasons to believe this is fake but I will say this list looks right in line with Firaxis leader choice behavior in Civ6. It feels right but let the speculation begin.
Tawhiao doesn’t look like the leaked image of a “Polynesian”
They may simply have not yet added his ta moko, which would be easily fixed. Still holding my breath that he is a Tongan or Samoan leader instead though...
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No Babylon, Ethiopia, Portugal, Carthage, Byzantines also.
