New Hotfix Version (12-15)

[CrazyG]

I think the AI gets bonus production when it settles a city, so its shrine goes up really fast. As far as I can tell, the AI almost always builds a shrine before anything else. My guess for why Ethiopia is so often a high performer is because he builds a monument rather than a shrine, and the early culture is really snowbally.

 

[ashendashin]

I think the AI gets bonus production when it settles a city, so its shrine goes up really fast. As far as I can tell, the AI almost always builds a shrine before anything else. My guess for why Ethiopia is so often a high performer is because he builds a monument rather than a shrine, and the early culture is really snowbally.

There's only so many civs that get bonus faith so early, and I'm playing with 22. Even an instant shrine for every last civ shouldn't be getting them pantheons by turn 18.

 

[notque]

When I look, there's very low actual faith production coming from the AIs, but they are all founding early. I can't explain it, but not saying there isn't an explanation.

 

[Matutin]

I encountered a Maya religion being founded turn 90ish, and already enhanced some twenty turns later. How does this work?

 

[BiteInTheMark]

No offense, but if you can't found on King, it's a matter of skill, not bad luck. I am founding on Emperor frequently, and Immortal a healthy minority of the time.

You missunderstand me, iam not complaining about founding a religion. I have no problem founding one on king difficoulty^.
Its very mysterious iam in the 4th or 5th civ, that found a pantheon, even if i have forest/money to invest and faith cs start.

 

[BiteInTheMark]

I think the AI gets bonus production when it settles a city, so its shrine goes up really fast. As far as I can tell, the AI almost always builds a shrine before anything else. My guess for why Ethiopia is so often a high performer is because he builds a monument rather than a shrine, and the early culture is really snowbally.

They do, but someone said, there is no extra yields for settling the first city.

 

[CrabHelmet]

I have no idea what's going on. I've been testing several games now. In almost all of them, the AI is founding their Pantheons by, at latest, turn 25 - incredibly difficult for a human to outpace (at best, I can do a 5-turn Shrine then 25-turns to get the Faith, and shave off 5 turns with a lucky City-state). But when I check the AI... their Faith output is usually no better than mine.

The only thing I can think is that they're able to insta-build their Shrines? But @Gazebo said they don't get a production bonus for first city? So... what's going on? Anyone have any better ideas than me?

 

[Owlbebach]

I encountered a Maya religion being founded turn 90ish, and already enhanced some twenty turns later. How does this work?

Maya gets free Great People of choice every several years, its Maya's UA. If Maya founds before first Great Person appears - it can take Prophet for free. I managed to enchance before turn80 with Maya

 

[Gazebo]

There's definitely something up. Everyone is getting pantheons before turn 20. Are faith ruins popping earlier now? Does the AI swarm faith CSs with their warriors as gifts?

No changes in a long time.

G

 

[Txurce]

No changes in a long time.

G

That can't be right -- otherwise the sky wouldn't be falling.

 

[Gazebo]

I think the AI gets bonus production when it settles a city, so its shrine goes up really fast. As far as I can tell, the AI almost always builds a shrine before anything else. My guess for why Ethiopia is so often a high performer is because he builds a monument rather than a shrine, and the early culture is really snowbally.

I’ve posted the entire difficulty code elsewhere, promise there’s no secret faith. The AI does not get a discount either.

G

 

[Gazebo]

That can't be right -- otherwise the sky wouldn't be falling.

You’re right, I’m lying. :|

Just saying that the AI goes for quick shrines now. More so than it used to. That’s the only change.

G

 

[Legen]

I think the AI gets bonus production when it settles a city, so its shrine goes up really fast. As far as I can tell, the AI almost always builds a shrine before anything else. My guess for why Ethiopia is so often a high performer is because he builds a monument rather than a shrine, and the early culture is really snowbally.

So far, I'm having a nicer time in Ancient / Classical when AIhandicaps are 5 (Emperor base) * 2.5 = 12.5
With 'I don't have any early bonuses' France, I'm last civ in almost everything, but it was expected. I could try later with an even lower early bonus. If France is in the middle in early game without an amazing start, I'll know the handicap is too low.

If I recall correctly, the big events that do grant production in a city are founding/capturing cities and entering a new era, right?

Maybe the city founding/capturing should be more of winning a war instead. That won't do much about the shrine part, but could tone down certain civs being so prone to snowballing and leaving non-early civs eating too much dust.

 

[lordrune]

Welp, there goes my 'try to get purity pantheon first and win the game' strategy for around 50% of my starts. Good job

Also, the game is trolling me - first start with this hotfix:

Spoiler :

 

[ashendashin]

You’re right, I’m lying. :|

Just saying that the AI goes for quick shrines now. More so than it used to. That’s the only change.

G

Right, I see the deal now after taking a look at the AI. Standard speed Deity combined with the many ruins the AI can get now allows stupidly fast founding for Tradition civs and their new focus on shrines. Focusing on shrines makes sense and I already camp by ruins in hopes for faith, but I think I'll go back to playing epic or stick to using enginseers mods. Screw the photojournals, it ain't fun when I'm running at the whim of the AI to this degree.

 

[Txurce]

Right, I see the deal now after taking a look at the AI. Standard speed Deity combined with the many ruins the AI can get now allows stupidly fast founding for Tradition civs and their new focus on shrines. Focusing on shrines makes sense and I already camp by ruins in hopes for faith, but I think I'll go back to playing epic or stick to using enginseers mods. Screw the photojournals, it ain't fun when I'm running at the whim of the AI to this degree.

You forgot to mention the I prioritizing shrines as well. It sounds like in your case, you'll have to play Deity wthout a religion, unless you conquer one. If that doesn't work for you, you have all the options you mentioned, plus dropping down to Immortal. How does that compare to Epic Deity?

 

[Asterix Rage]

Playing 12-13 Marathon/Immortal as always.
So now Level 4 is 180XP and Level 5 is 300XP

Maybe lot of people love that. I do not.
AI and I get the same rules. Montezuna, Khan and abviously shaka can get few units with 450XP... since Civilization I

Anyway. I just ask one thing pls just one thing.
What files I have to edit to come back exactly like it was before ? (10/30/60/100...)

 

[ashendashin]

You forgot to mention the I prioritizing shrines as well. It sounds like in your case, you'll have to play Deity wthout a religion, unless you conquer one. If that doesn't work for you, you have all the options you mentioned, plus dropping down to Immortal. How does that compare to Epic Deity?

Pick the right civ or get lucky enough to not lose the right pantheon after camping ruins for faith and I think I'll still manage Standard religions fine. It's a lot less certain than before, is all.
I'm just sick of the pace on Standard. It's not fun for me to cheese ruins to make certain starts work. Epic won't change the early religion game much(besides taking other religions being a lot easier, especially on huge), but at least the pace is tolerable, regardless of what the AI blocks.

 

[CrazyG]

Pick the right civ or get lucky enough to not lose the right pantheon after camping ruins for faith and I think I'll still manage Standard religions fine. It's a lot less certain than before, is all.
I'm just sick of the pace on Standard. It's not fun for me to cheese ruins to make certain starts work. Epic won't change the early religion game much(besides taking other religions being a lot easier, especially on huge), but at least the pace is tolerable, regardless of what the AI blocks.

What map are you playing on? I'm often in the middle group for pantheons in my games if I went shrine first on forests. I think on Pangea the AI actually scouts the map so fast that its plausible that every AI earns 10+ faith from city states.

 

[ashendashin]

What map are you playing on? I'm often in the middle group for pantheons in my games if I went shrine first on forests. I think on Pangea the AI actually scouts the map so fast that its plausible that every AI earns 10+ faith from city states.

I play an edited Communitas huge with 22 civs. 8 pantheons were already taken by turn 21, so I checked exactly who took em. America was one with 4 total faith output per turn from getting an insta shrine and quickly taking Sovereignty. Tradition AI doesn't even need CSs to get pantheons early, since the AI often gets their second policy quickly.