New Study Shows Dramatic Decrease in Undocumented Immigrants, Especially In Florida

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I think this has all been pointed out before, but here's more recent data to corroborate this notion. There are apparently busloads of undocumented immigrants leaving Florida on a regular basis to return home.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/growth/as-the-debate-roils-illegal-immigrant-population-plunges/1119038

With the third most illegal immigrants in the country, Florida has been in the thick of the simmering national debate over proposed Arizona-style immigration laws.

Some politicians, especially Republican Rick Scott in his well-financed run for governor, have made the issue central to their campaigns.

But a new study shows that two-thirds fewer illegal immigrants entered the country last year compared to 10 years ago. And local immigration experts say Florida's dismal economy is prompting many illegal immigrants to return home.

"I've heard that there are buses going quite regularly back to Mexico,"
said Ella Schmidt, an associate anthropology professor at the University of South Florida who studies migrant issues. "Every day people are leaving and going back home … especially those who came in the last five or six years."

Since 2000, illegal immigration into the United States has dropped nearly 67 percent, according to the report released Wednesday by the Pew Hispanic Center. In Florida alone, the population dropped by 375,000 from 2008 to 2009 to about 675,000 people.

The political hyperbole at times makes it seem as if the nation and state are under siege from a swelling band of illegal immigrants. But the news that the immigrant population is shrinking didn't shock local people who are plugged into the issue.

"I wish people knew the truth about illegal immigration," said Neil Lewis, an immigration attorney in Tampa. "Those opposed to immigration would have you believe the numbers haven't changed. … I've been able to tell for a while that the Mexican base in Tampa is shrinking."

The Pew Hispanic Center's report comes from March 2009 census data.

It estimates that 11.1 million illegal immigrants lived in the United States in 2009. That represents a decrease of roughly 1 million, or 8 percent, from a peak of 12 million in 2007.

It's also the first time the number of illegal immigrants living in the United States has dropped in two decades.

The number of illegal immigrants coming from Mexico has remained steady over the last several years, but there has been a significant drop in illegal immigrants from the Caribbean, Central America and South America, the study found.


County numbers weren't available Wednesday, but local experts say they have heard that more people are leaving and fewer people are coming to the area — mainly because of the economy.

The unemployment rate for illegal immigrants in March 2009 was 10.4 percent — higher than that of U.S.-born workers or legal immigrants, who had unemployment of 9.2 percent and 9.1 percent, respectively.

"There is a combination of factors that obviously are working against immigrants," said Schmidt, the anthropology professor.

Lewis said immigrants also are finding the increased scrutiny on them uncomfortable, which could be prompting more of them to return to their native countries.

Stepped-up enforcement also has played a part, he said. Immigrants used to annually come and go across the border to work. But more enforcement — along with job losses in the construction and tourism industries in Florida — has led many people to leave or not bother coming at all. The ones who are here, he said, are mainly trying to lay low because they fear that if they leave, they won't be able to return.

The Pew study also found that while the number of illegal immigrants fell, there was a slight increase in the number of legal immigrants who came to this county over the past decade.

Fraser Ottanelli, who teaches history at USF, said people often lose a long-term perspective when it comes to illegal immigration. He said a similar exodus happened in the 1930s during the Great Depression.
How much more does the population have to decrease before the ultra-conservatives no longer complain about it so vociferously? Until the next Republican is elected to be president?
 
Shame the American dream didn't work out for them.

Spoiler :
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How much more does the population have to decrease before the ultra-conservatives no longer complain about it so vociferously? Until the next Republican is elected to be president?

When you ask? When our government does its job and actually deals with the problem! Granted, that's probably too much to ask, but still, if it is, we'll keep demanding it.
 
So... "Bad economic times - people move away to find jobs other places"?

Then I expect that as soon as the economy picks up again, it will be:

"Good economic times - more people are moving here to find jobs"...

Or am I missing something?
 
When you ask? When our government does its job and actually deals with the problem! Granted, that's probably too much to ask, but still, if it is, we'll keep demanding it.

I don't know, sounds like something the markets should handle. We can't trust that big government.
 
Isnt Florida one of the states contemplating a law like the one passed in Arizona?

I think so, but then the Federal government will stop them from doing it.

I'd like the federal government to deal with the problem, but if they won't, AT LEAST LET THE STATES DO IT!

I don't know, sounds like something the markets should handle. We can't trust that big government.

:lol:
 
I think so, but then the Federal government will stop them from doing it.

I'd like the federal government to deal with the problem, but if they won't, AT LEAST LET THE STATES DO IT!
You are aware the number of deportation arrests has increased under Obama? And that the federal government is in charge of immegration? And that state law cannot supercede federal law?
 
And yet the study says there are still 2/3 of a MILLION illegal invaders pissing on our sovereignty and laws in Florida alone.
 
When you ask? When our government does its job and actually deals with the problem! Granted, that's probably too much to ask, but still, if it is, we'll keep demanding it.

I never thought I'd see the day when you became a supporter of BIG GOVERNMENT. :run:
 
And yet the study says there are still 2/3 of a MILLION illegal invaders pissing on our sovereignty and laws in Florida alone.

And you would be one too if you had a family to support in Mexico.
 
Funny. Couple hundred years ago they would have been shot at border as invaders.
So now are we more civilized or just weaker?
 
And yet the study says there are still 2/3 of a MILLION illegal invaders pissing on our sovereignty and laws in Florida alone.
2/3rds of a Million in a state as large as Florida isn't that bad.
You want them to stop coming over, pay more money in taxes to beef up border security or help Mexico become a better place to live so they wouldn't want to come over here.
 
2/3rds of a Million in a state as large as Florida isn't that bad.
You want them to stop coming over, pay more money in taxes to beef up border security or help Mexico become a better place to live so they wouldn't want to come over here.
Let's just make transfer payments for the entire world. :rolleyes:
 
2/3rds of a Million in a state as large as Florida isn't that bad.
You want them to stop coming over, pay more money in taxes to beef up border security or help Mexico become a better place to live so they wouldn't want to come over here.

:lol:

Or just deport all of them and allow the military to shoot people as they cross.


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:lol:

Or just deport all of them and allow the military to shoot people as they cross.

Way to advocate a police state as well as completely ignore decreasing marginal utility as well as the net economic benefit of immigrants.
 
:lol:

Or just deport all of them and allow the military to shoot people as they cross.
How do we find all of them without resorting to a police state?
What's more important to you, your small government or no illegal immegrants?
 
Fraser Ottanelli, who teaches history at USF, said people often lose a long-term perspective when it comes to illegal immigration. He said a similar exodus happened in the 1930s during the Great Depression
Not only that, during World War II - there was a huge demand for unskilled workers in the agricultural industry. It was called Braceros Program.

Year /Number of Braceros /Applicable US Law
1942 4,203 (wartime)
1943 (44,600) (wartime)
1944 62,170 (wartime)
1945 (44,600) (wartime)
1946 (44,600) Public Law 45
1947 (30,000) PL 45, PL 40
1948 (30,000) Public Law 893
1948-50 (79,000) Period of administrative agreements
1951 192,000 AA/Public Law 78
1952 197,100 Public Law 78
1953 201,380 Public Law 78
1954 309,033 Public Law 78
1955 398,650 Public Law 78
1956 445,197 Public Law 78
1957 436,049 Public Law 78
1958 432,491 Public Law 78
1959 444,408 Public Law 78
1960 319,412 Public Law 78
1961 296,464 Public Law 78
1962 198,322 Public Law 78
1963 189,528 Public Law 78
1964 179,298 Public Law 78
1965 20,286 (after formal end of program)
1966 8,647
1967 7,703

As you can see it quickly phased out year after year from the peak year of 1956.

Migrations patterns, economic policies changing over time, is not entirely new in United States; especially with its relations with other countries in Mexico, and other places in Central America.
 
Way to advocate a police state as well as completely ignore decreasing marginal utility as well as the net economic benefit of immigrants.

Ummm.... The left here often complains of not enough jobs, and DEPORTING THE ILLEGALS would help with that!

How do we find all of them without resorting to a police state?
What's more important to you, your small government or no illegal immegrants?

Oh, I would not suggest that we should check people at random to see if they have ID, only if we pull them over or arrest them for some crime (Including a traffic violations.) It should be federal law not to give a liscense to illegals (I know this is in violation of small government a bit, however, by definition allowing illegals to be here, let alone have a license, is illegal) and then, if they are pulled over, require them to show their license, every time, in every state. If they don't have it on them, that in and of itself would require an additional fine and for you to find it and give it to your local government office to show them you are allowed to be here. Anyone who didn't do so within 30 days, there would be a warrant for their arrest.
 
Ummm.... The left here often complains of not enough jobs, and DEPORTING THE ILLEGALS would help with that!
The jobs they fill are the crap jobs. Cleaning toilets, working exceptionaly long days in hot fields, ect. Those jobs pay absolutely horrendus wages and because they are generaly hired on a per-day basis, there is no minimum wage laws.
Would you want to work for 18 hours in the middle of a hot field just to get $20 on a good day?

Oh, I would not suggest that we should check people at random to see if they have ID, only if we pull them over or arrest them for some crime (Including a traffic violations.) It should be federal law not to give a liscense to illegals (I know this is in violation of small government a bit, however, by definition allowing illegals to be here, let alone have a license, is illegal)
Already a government policy.
and then, if they are pulled over, require them to show their license, every time, in every state.
Already happens in normal traffic stops.
If they don't have it on them, that in and of itself would require an additional fine and for you to find it and give it to your local government office to show them you are allowed to be here.
The first part already happens. As for the latter, meh. The government doesn't really have an records on you so you could just go move somewhere else.
 
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