New ways into the USofA

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I originally wanted to post this in Turner's News of the Weird, but then again:
The US and Australia have made a Deal, the Deal is: The US don't want no Cuban or Haitian refugees, the Australians don't want no Asian refugees - so they swap :eek:

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Telegraph said:
US and Australia to swap asylum seekers


By Nick Squires in Australia
Last Updated: 2:23am BST 19/04/2007



Australia and the United States will swap asylum seekers under a contentious scheme to deter migrants from seeking asylum in either country.
Under the exchange scheme, asylum seekers held in offshore detention camps will lose the chance of choosing their destination when they apply as refugees.
The boat people held by Australia on the remote Pacific island of Nauru will be sent to the US, while Cuban and Haitian refugees held at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba will be sent to Australia.
The plan expands Australia’s policy of dispatching Asian and Middle Eastern boat people to other countries, including Nauru, Papua New Guinea and Indonesia.
Opposition politicians and human rights groups said that far from deterring refugees, the plan could end up rewarding them with a new life in America.
The two countries signed a legally binding memorandum of agreement today and the first exchanges could start within months.
It is likely that the first batch to be swapped will be 83 Sri Lankans and eight Burmese, who were intercepted by the Royal Australian Navy and sent to Nauru.
Under the agreement, the two countries would swap 400 asylum seekers – 200 from each country – this year and in 2008, the policy will be reviewed in 2009.
Prime Minister John Howard insisted the scheme would deter boat people from trying to reach Australia.
“It is part of our policy to reinforce the message to those who would engage in people smuggling that this country has a very tough border protection policy,” he said.
However, opposition politicians and refugee rights groups said the plan defied logic because it would make Australia a stepping stone to the US.
“We are swapping from the Pacific to the Atlantic Solution and it sounds a bit like involuntary transportation, which doesn’t sound protective of human rights,” said Helen Watchirs, the Canberra-based human rights and discrimination commissioner.
Tony Burke, of the opposition Labour Party, said the plan would encourage a new wave of refugees to pay smugglers to take them to Christmas Island, a remote Australian territory in the Indian Ocean and a favourite drop-off point.
Kerry Nettle, a senator in the Green Party, described the plan as “bizarre”.
“This is about political mates helping each other out with problems,” she said, referring to Mr Howard’s close relationship with President George W Bush, based in part on Australia’s support for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Australia introduced its “Pacific Solution” in 2001.
People caught trying to reach the mainland are sent to Nauru, Papua New Guinea and Christmas Island before their claims are assessed.
It has been criticised by groups including Amnesty International, which has accused Canberra of failing to meet humanitarian obligations.

I am not sure what to make of it, my first impulse was to check the date, that it is not April 1st...
So now if you want to make your way from Asia to the USA all you need to do is reach Australian waters :crazyeye:
 
Um. I'm a bit dense, I admit that, but why not just deport them all back to their nation of origin?
 
Um. I'm a bit dense, I admit that, but why not just deport them all back to their nation of origin?

Because it could mean death senence to the deportees for the mere crime of trying to leave the country.
 
Perhaps because they are seeking asylum for a reason? Your location and avatar immediately brought to mind the Voyage of the Damned.

Oh yes, I am familiar with that, and it's a black mark on the soul of our nation, and every other nation that turned them away.

However, that situation isn't what most "refugees" trying to get to the USA are experiencing, so it's not really the same.
 
An interesting idea, for sure. I wonder if any other countries will get on board.
 
Oh yes, I am familiar with that, and it's a black mark on the soul of our nation, and every other nation that turned them away.

However, that situation isn't what most "refugees" trying to get to the USA are experiencing, so it's not really the same.

Why are Cubans, Sri Lankins, Haitians, and Burmese fleeing oppression different? I think you are confusing seeking asylum with immigration.
 
I'm not familiar with anything like a "night of broken glass" occuring in Cuba or any other systematic oppression against a particular race of people residing in Cuba. It is an oppressive State, yes, but that alone is not enough to warrant us having to open up our borders for the entire population of Cuba to waltz through simply because their government is bad.

Why don't they take matters into their own hands and overthrow their godless Commie oppressors? Worked in Eastern Europe and the USSR.
 
I'm not familiar with anything like a "night of broken glass" occuring in Cuba or any other systematic oppression against a particular race of people residing in Cuba. It is an oppressive State, yes, but that alone is not enough to warrant us having to open up our borders for the entire population of Cuba to waltz through simply because their government is bad.

I'm sure there are a great many things that occur in other countries, particularly closed ones, that we are not aware of.

Why don't they take matters into their own hands and overthrow their godless Commie oppressors? Worked in Eastern Europe and the USSR.

I suppose there were many in the 1930s who asked why the Fascists weren't overthrown instead of people fleeing from them. When the party in power is supported by the majority those who are oppressed stand very little chance in overthrowing them.
 
When the party in power is supported by the majority those who are oppressed stand very little chance in overthrowing them.
You don't even need a majority. A quite small, well equipped and determined minority is unfortunately sufficient to oppress a country.
 
You don't even need a majority. A quite small, well equipped and determined minority is unfortunately sufficient to oppress a country.

Or topple one...!

VRWCAgent: You certainly have a point that the US cannot simply accept any and all Cubans, for eg, simply by the grace of living under a repressive regime, but I think there is a case to be made for political refugees, i.e. those who have stood up to the state and have been persecuted as a result.
 
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