New Zealand Terror Attack

[inthesomeday]

As long as the corporate and cultural influences that caused this are not held accountable it will happen again. And again and again and again.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

He also frequently cited Candace Owens, who praised Hitler recently and has said France needs to arm themselves against "Muslim invasion" and has been crowing about birthrates for years.

Candace Owens on this terrorist attack:

 

[Farm Boy]

Hold accountable cultural influences. We're going to kill Dylan Roof. Brevik is going to die in jail. I assume this can then be taken to mean our net needs wider and harsher? Or... ?

 

[Kyriakos]

Well, not much to lol about.

 

[Traitorfish]

We're going to kill Dylan Roof.

So you're holding him to the same standards you would hold a developmentally disabled black man. Less of a statement, in context.

 

[inthesomeday]

Hold accountable cultural influences. We're going to kill Dylan Roof. Brevik is going to die in jail. I assume this can then be taken to mean our net needs wider and harsher? Or... ?

The shooters themselves are foot soldiers. Foot soldiers who deserve nothing short of execution, true, but foot soldiers still.

Cultural influences like POTUS, like Owens, like pewdiepie, communities like r/cringeanarchy and /pol/ need to be silenced. They are responsible and complicit in these murders and they will continue to inspire them as long as they have platforms to inspire from.

 

[Farm Boy]

How thoroughly have you thought through "platforms?"

 

[aelf]

What a horrible tragedy and crime.

How long before we have someone blaming the left/liberals for mistreating right-wingers and creating the motivation for them to commit atrocities like this one?

 

[adcarrymaokai]

Deplatofrming toxic influencers actually works. Does anyone still remember Milo Yiannopoulos? He is selling his crap to pay off his multimillion-dollar debt after even the right wingers dropped him.

 

[inthesomeday]

I mean one way or another you can’t deny the fact that constant white supremacist propaganda and the existence of a violent white supremacist status quo are thoroughly to blame, and I would argue solely to blame, for these acts of terrorism. One way or another this kind of thought being so present has to stop. Deplatforming by whatever means necessary is about as moderate as you’ll get for doing so.

 

[Zardnaar]

Well it's finally happened here. We're a small country, per capita 49 is similar to 9/11casualties.

Shooter apparently wanted to do our local mosque but it was to small. Police cordoned off a street last night.

Muslim friend doesn't want to talk about it one of his friends 10 year old daughter was shot. We don't have life sentence here in practice but they can sentence you to preventative detention which means they can let you out when they feel like it.

Tragedy in a tragedy one of the victims was a Syrian refugee, survives that and gets killed in NZ of all places.

Saw some of the footage at work yesterday. Strong stomach but watch sod all of it and told the young fella to turn it off. Haven't had something like this since 1990.

NZ news.
Stuff.co.nz.

 

[inthesomeday]

What a horrible tragedy and crime.

How long before we have someone blaming the left/liberals for mistreating right-wingers and creating the motivation for them to commit atrocities like this one?

Already happening. In so many words, anyway. Not in mainstream media as flagrantly but very common already online.

 

[Estebonrober]

You make the argument that we consider it somehow more acceptable because words, when we use words we already use for the worst sort of human possible, and we're going to kill him. Hey, I guess you're right. Words do matter, and actions matter more.

Though, if you actually go out and read the US news coverage and consider this important, as you seem to, you'll note that they're using the terms "terrorism" and "mosque shooting" which hearkens back and contextualizes our local, and longstanding usage, of "church shooting" or "synagogue burning" to describe domestic acts of terror. People know it's terrorism man. They're treating it like terrorism. So you have to decide exactly how big a issue you want to pick over your chosen words, and your chosen contextualizing, mattering. Consider farther: What does "church shooting" actually mean relative to the already used "terrorism" charge? Terrorism is usually lethal violence, but not always. Sometimes terrorism just destroys something in a scary way. Sometimes it's a disturbance. This is specified as a "shooting" or "mass shooting," which it is. Which is worse. Next, it's specifically a "mosque" shooting. So it's not a solider, or a cop, or a traveler, or a public street. It's understood as targeted at people during a period of vulnerability, of faith, of destroying intentionally a specific people in a moment of peace. It's worse. These are not new things for us, if it matters, we've described hate in these terms for a long time, unfortunately. Be they bombings or burnings or hangings or stabbings or shootings. It would be much better if we did not have an event to so describe right now, but there are no punches being pulled in the description. About the only traction I'm coming up with on the difference between "terrorism" and "church/mosque/school shooting/burning/attack" is that "terrorism" often carries an undertone of "other" or "exotic" of "foreign" that the other, more localized shame/horror language, does not. Which, I thought was some of the point in the first place. Isn't it? Somewhat interesting in the light of it being a international news story, considering. Interesting in the "interesting times" way of being interesting.

You wrote a lot but my reply is very simple as is this topic. Terrorism is a specific thing in which someone’s intention is to terrorize a population of people. This incident is definitely terrorism. Most school shootings are not actually terrorism. I’m glad they are finallly calling a spade a spade.

It matters a helluva lot FB. Remember last weeks news was how tucker Carlson was going on about Iraqis blowing themselves up in crowded markets and that made them somehow inferior to westerners. In reality terrorist attacks have a long history in western culture and have never actually stopped. It’s important to note that.

 

[Farm Boy]

No, I don't remember. I've silenced Tucker Carlson. Nobody in my media bubble in my physical life listens to Tucker Carlson. We call a variety of things terrorism. Domestic and otherwise. Church/synagogue/mosque shootings are worse.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

When will Trump point out the fine people on both sides here?

 

[Nobody]

New Zealand is meant to be a peacefull country.

We dont have terrorist attacks. Before this the worst we had was the day the french goverment sank a boat and one person died.
But real terrorism... na not here. Thats crazy, not nz, maybe europe. We have a couple of shifty muslims but the cops keep a eye on them.

We don't have real hate crimes, sure every now and then some skin heads will beat up a gay or desecrate a jewish cemetary but they are just scum bags who watched romper stomper and didnt grow up. We dont have real hate crimes here. Not nz, we aren't really racist thats australia.

We definitely dont have mass shooters. Every few years some paper boy down south will shoot his family. But no one is massacreing a religious gathering! Thats America not us, besides we banned all the bad guns in the 80s after the Aramoana incident.

Well that was yesterday... today New Zealand has grown up and become a real country i guess. Its not just the news now its actually happening in our home as well.

Some arsshole Australian coward and his arsshole kiwi coward mates after jacking off to American History X too many times and watching Ben Shapiro videos decided to kill 49 innocent people for what? Get Muslims out of our country? To try and become folk heros on the stormfront message boards? TO MAKE NEW ZEALAND GREAT AGAIN?

They have already failed. First the police are going to crush there pathetic organizations, anyone even remotely involved are going to prison for a very long time.
Second these people are going to be ostracized from society, skin heads and nazis are no longer going to be a acceptable fringe group anymore. They are done here.

And third and most importantly nz society is going to finally open its arms to our immigrant's, they are part of us now.

I dont know what else to say, im the train on the way to work and i have barely slept. Everyone seems sad, everyone has there phones outs and are reading about this stuff. There was a girl behind me crying (maybe her dog died).

 

[Kaitzilla]

Forty-nine people have been killed and 48 wounded in shootings at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, in the nation's deadliest attack.

Oh my God

That's a lot of people gunned down.

The gunman live-streaming the attack from a head-mounted camera said he was a 28-year-old Australian called Brenton Tarrant.

Mr. Tarrant is going straight to Hell. (If that's his real name)

Authorities advised all mosques in the city to shut down until further notice.
According to the latest census figures, Muslims make up about 1.1% of New Zealand's population of 4.25 million.

Terrorism for certain.
They should give him the maximum everything.

0.207% of New Zealand's Muslims just took a bullet. (1 in 500)

 

[Estebonrober]

No, I don't remember. I've silenced Tucker Carlson. Nobody in my media bubble in my physical life listens to Tucker Carlson. We call a variety of things terrorism. Domestic and otherwise. Church/synagogue/mosque shootings are worse.

Neither in mine but he is the number one rated news pundit in the country and he touts white nationalism in code all year long. The fact that it’s inspiring terrorist attacks needs to be acknowledged.

 

[Farm Boy]

Neither in mine but he is the number one rated news pundit in the country and he touts white nationalism in code all year long. The fact that it’s inspiring terrorist attacks needs to be acknowledged.

I acknowledge you say so. Now it has to run through the filter of how much I trust your words to be accurrate. Given our conversation on gardening, that's a wretched slog. At least on this specific sort of thing.

 

[Mouthwash]

Ben Shapiro has now been cited in two fascist terrorist attacks and pewdiepie in this, and the fact that super famous people can run around saying "Muslims destroy" and live in dirt and are inherently bad, and throw up Nazi imagery and denigrate Jewish people routinely, and we spend time debating if it's satire or stupid edginess or a valuable inclusion in the marketplace of ideas is a goddamn joke.

He also frequently cited Candace Owens, who praised Hitler recently and has said France needs to arm themselves against "Muslim invasion" and has been crowing about birthrates for years.

Yes, white supremacists are often inspired by Jewish and black people.

Or maybe there's another motive to him citing them. What could that be? Couldn't possibly think of one...

Neither in mine but he is the number one rated news pundit in the country and he touts white nationalism in code all year long. The fact that it’s inspiring terrorist attacks needs to be acknowledged.

Literally any argument that doesn't accept that a particular place or culture is the same as every other place or culture is now considered white nationalism by the left, so forgive me if I consider your knowledge of what constitutes racist 'code' suspect.