Next turn - 60ad

[Jayne]

50bc - Civvium production changed to trireme IPRB$11. GG and LC change production from Archer to Caravan.

LC and Mordhiemia post phalanxes outside and sack Elvis. Neuma does same with warrior. As does Dellham.

Roskilde IPRB$8 settler.

River Bridge City renamed Monks Towne.

BL caravan rehomed in RC and sent to Elysium.

25bc - New archer in Mordhiemia causes Civil Disorder. Posted outside city. Temple started.

Fort Anarchy founded. Start caravan.

Indians nearly completed Great Wall.

1ad - NUF discover Construction. Start Mathematics.

Ren builds temple. Civil Disorder! Warrior returns to city. Start caravan.

NUF population 700,000+

Civvium finished trireme and starts caravan.

Roskilde IPRB$8 settler.

20ad - Great Wall of Delhi completed. Persians abandon project!!

Civil disorder in Eboracum. Archer ejected. Disorder in Civvium, warrior returns.

OP builds settler and starts archer.

RC builds silk caravan for Cops. Start dip. Wine caravan arrives in ELysium $74 + $1 per turn.

Dellham legion reaches end of peninsula. Now nearer Lahore!

Elvis hired in Mordhiemia.

40ad - MD builds temple and starts trireme. Civil disorder - phalanx guard returns.

Roskilde IPRB$8 settler.

Monks Towne and MD hire Elvis.

End turn - Press Enter

Viking horseman appears east of Fort Anarchy and requests meeting. Demand for secret of Construction refused. Peace treaty signed. We demanded tribute and they withdrew troops. Neutral attitude.

GG builds wine caravan. Starts NOTHING.
CJ builds temple. Starts NOTHING.
Dellham builds temple. Starts NOTHING.

To commemorate the end of her reign, Castle Jaynes celebrates 'We Love The Queen Day'!!!

NUF discovers Mathematics. Starts ASTRONOMY!

"The Queen is dead. Long live the King!"

 

[Jayne]

Two observations: The Persians are behind us on Techs. They had no other Wonder to change to when the Great Wall was completed.

Second, there may be more Vikings wandering around our island. I guess it would be the northeast area where we have few units, which is why I was sending the horseman in that direction.

 

[duke o' york]

Good that we're starting to research Astronomy and have had no other messages that civs are beginning Cop's. How many caravans have we got nearing completion? A good bonus 74g, especially since the cities are so close together but I suppose we get the early delivery bonuses.
Can we get that archer standing outside LC to look for any more Vikings?

 

[Jayne]

Caravans: 2 active, 6 in production and 3 cities which can build anything

 

[StevieP]

Sounds like 3 cities should start building caravans! We need to get the next few wonders. We can always switch to something more pressing if we really have to.

 

[Jayne]

iirc, Cops can be built completely with 6 caravans

 

[StevieP]

What about Leo's, how many would we need for that?

 

[Jayne]

8 for Leo's and Mike's

 

[funxus]

Good that the great wall was built in Delhi and not any other indian city. This will make Delhi our first target in the war against them, especially since it allready has the pyramids.

 

[funxus]

How much money do we have, it shows Gary hasn't been here yet, and how many turns to astronomy? Should we rushbuild the caravans to be able to build cop's the turn after we discover asrtronomy, or do we save the money and wait until all the caravans are built? I'd vote for completing it the turn after

 

[Jayne]

We're just starting astro - so 6 turns. We have $347

 

[MonkE]

Cops costs 200g. LC finishes caravan in 2 turns, which takes 7t to reach Elysium. BF finishes caravan in 8, with 4t travel time. Thus it takes 12t for two caravans to arrive. Elysium is already 40/200 on Marco Polo's. Not considering its growth in 4t, in 12t it will be 100/200 + 2 caravans = 200/200. So Cops finishes on the 13th turn!

After that, Mike's is on the horizon. After Astronomy we need Polytheism + Monotheism, which should take about 16-20 turns, depending on tech availability. Mike's needs about 7 caravans to finish quickly. Build, build, build!

Edit: BF could finish its caravan 1 turn sooner with $11 IPRB next turn. That should finish Cops on the 12th turn.

 

[duke o' york]

I hate to be picky, but if when you said Cops is 200g, you meant shields, then you are wrong. Cop's requires 300 shields, or six caravans, as Jayne said before.
This will obviously affect the calculations above.

 

[GaryNemo]

Great moves, my Queen! Thank you for such fine attention to detail.

On preview I see nice analysis by MonkE, and this thread is alive with questions. It feels nice to be wanted.

Mr. President, I have many questions for our Citizens, which I will pose later today. We have a general problem with growth, too many Fish, too little Iron and Forest, and potential crisis in 2 or more cities. These problems will be resolved by Mike's Chapel and Republic. There are many spare guards which could perhaps be redeployed. We still need more Caravans and Diplomats, although with our roads a Catapult is now a temptation. Our Trireme is ready to board the GG Warrior and sail East.

60 AD BC Status: 790,000 people in 19 cities. 347 gold, 30,00,70% One Scientist
As downloaded F5 $27 -9 Sci 66 in 6 turns. F11 Mfg=70, Family Size=5.1. 4 Elvii
With changes marked below: F5 $28 -9, Sci 69/6 Mfg=81 FS=4.5 & 3 Elvii. NUF is again #1 in Population, and still #1 in Manufacturing, Land Area and Productivity, but slipped to #3 in Family Size. The Indians, with their Pyramids, are still a problem.

50 BC Status: 690,000 people in 18 cities. 217 gold, 30,00,70% With mmgt changes marked 50BC   F5 $24 -5, Sci 61 in 6 turns. F11 Mfg=62, Family Size=4.9. One Scientist, and 7 entertainers. NUF is still #1 in Manufacturing, Land Area and Productivity, and #2 in Population and Family Size. The Indians, with their Pyramids, are becoming a problem.

Summary of micromanagement changes:
Monks Town Size=2 doesn't need Elvis, serfs 2 River Shields?
Eboracum, IPRB $2, serf to Forest.
TFalls, Warrior out, serf to Forest, Temple 36/40 in 1 turn.
BedFont Lakes, Serf to Forest to Freeze at Food=3, Caravan in 6
Civvium Serf Fish to Road (or Forest?)
Dellham, serf to River PLAINS to slow growth, Temple 0/40 in 10
Reneaux, serfs on PLAINS River & Wine Mine to Freeze growth!?
Marl Downs, Serf on Forest, Potential 2 Black Dude Crisis.
Legendary City Growth Crisis, serf Fish to Iron, Caravan in 1.
  Move both adjacent guards in?
Castle Jayne, Serf to Road (Celebrating!?)
Roskilde, keep Elvis to restrain growth?

Researching Astronomy! (due in about 6 turns), known: Alphabet, Bronze, CBurial, CodeLaws, Construction, Currency, HBR - Horse Back Riding, Literacy, Map Making, Masonry, Mathematics, Monarchy, Mysticism, Philosophy, Pottery, Trade, WarriorCode and Writing.

The Road from REGIA CIVITAS to Castle Jayne is completed, and the branch to Civvium is nearly completed. The Central Boreum Road is completed. Our Northern cities can now ship Caravans down the river to Elysium SSC or REGIA CIVITAS.

How about a Boreum Bridge Filler City? On the River Bend, between OP Reneaux and Eboracum?

REGIA CIVITAS Demands Wine. We have just built a Wine Caravan in GG. This could waltz over to Elysium, rehime, and deliver into demand at RC. Of course, we still need the Road on the Plains N of Little Nemo for this to work best. Right, MonkE? Any other Road Trade experts wish to comment?

We badly need 5 Caravans to Elysium, but must exempt this Wine Trade Caravan. Then more Caravans to build Mike's. In the meantime, we have real growth problems, which may be solvable ... but by whom?

We have 4 cities that can build anything: Dellham, Marl Downs, Castle Jayne, and Gabba Gabba. In addition, TFalls will complete its Temple in 1 turn, RC is building a Diplomat (want a Caravan?), Roskilde Settlers in 3 turns, LC Caravan in 1 (w Iron, then Disaster?).

We have 7 Temples and 2 Libraries. Elysium has begun construction of a Wonder. Elysium has 30/300 Wonder, grows in 4, new serf to Road ok.

Detail City Summary to follow in several hours. -Domestic Advisor.

 

[GaryNemo]

Oh, and we can IPRB a lot on Caravans! Nearly everywhere. Gabba Gabba is building 5 shields. That means with IPRB $11 four times ($44), it can build a Caravan every 6 turns!

We have several cities building 5 or 6 per turn. The question is, can 5 caravans arrive at Elysium in 6 turns, using the one GG Wine for Trade? I think not. But 4-5 Caravans shortly thereafter? Definitely, but we must prioritize Caravans over more Dips, another Trireme, etc.

 

[MonkE]

I hate to be picky, but if when you said Cops is 200g, you meant shields, then you are wrong. Cop's requires 300 shields

That means the reference sheet I downloaded from Apolyton is wrong. My trust in them is shattered ... (Yes, I meant shields )

BTW, thanks for being picky.

 

[GaryNemo]

The TFalls Settler on the Forest SE of GG could move E E Charge, NE and build the Road on the Plains N of Little Nemo, probably before the Wine Caravan is delivered from Elysium to REGIA CIVITAS. Recommended!

 

[MonkE]

That means with IPRB $11 four times ($44), it can build a Caravan every 6 turns!

Here's a fix to the analysis. GG adds one caravan to the wonder. With two $11 IPRBs, Civvium finishes a caravan in 6t, with travel time of 5t. Then Cops finishes in 12 turns. (GG wouldn't finish a second caravan that soon.)

 

[duke o' york]

Well if 'poly let you down then you could try using Nethog's Civ 2 Reference sheet, which we helped him compile this summer. It'll be in the Strategy and Tips forum somewhere.

 

[MonkE]

This is Nethog's reference! Sorry, I thought I got it from 'poly.