None Shall Pass 2 [Game Thread - Concluded]

[KingMorgan]

So your a filthy undead oathbreaker and your on towns side? Maybe we need Aragorn , son of Arathorn to sort you, hime being the true king and all that.

So how does being dead be an ability? Can we lynch a ghost?

 

[Snerk]

So your a filthy undead oathbreaker and your on towns side? Maybe we need Aragorn , son of Arathorn to sort you, hime being the true king and all that.

Was thinking the same thing. Would love a PM from Aragorn.

So how does being dead be an ability? Can we lynch a ghost?

This.

 

[Count Dingdong]

Are you saying you're not evil? And you don't have any abilities?

Edit: Oh man, I have to be up for work in five hours. Perhaps it would be better if I didn't live another day.

Okay, I just reread my role PM to make sure of a few things, and I realized you may have been asking something different. I forgot that this game had alignment: I'm neutral-evil, so I guess I am evil, in a sense. But I'm town-aligned. My ability is as follows: I'm dead, so after I'm killed, I'm still alive and can participate. My personal goal is to survive, though, so... I'd like that. I'm not sure if I can only survive a single kill or forever, but I'd prefer to not find out, due to personal wins and whatnot.

 

[Kennigit]

the trick to "waking up to 4 unread pages" is to not bother reading pages in the first place!

will catch up myself.

 

[choxorn]

Okay, I just reread my role PM to make sure of a few things, and I realized you may have been asking something different. I forgot that this game had alignment: I'm neutral-evil, so I guess I am evil, in a sense. But I'm town-aligned. My ability is as follows: I'm dead, so after I'm killed, I'm still alive and can participate. My personal goal is to survive, though, so... I'd like that. I'm not sure if I can only survive a single kill or forever, but I'd prefer to not find out, due to personal wins and whatnot.

If you're lying, you're probably some sort of scum, which means we should lynch you.

If you're telling the truth, there isn't that much harm in you getting lynched, and it would tell us some things.

While I think you're telling the truth, as that would be a pretty ridiculous claim for a mafia to make and hope to get away with, I'd still say you're the best lynch today.

Vote: Count Dingdong

 

[azzaman333]

Count Dingdong. Winston claimed his result before he was said to be not town. That means he made the claim before he needed to buy time. If he can find us Morgothians, I think we should keep him alive.

No he didn't. It wasn't until after Snerk outed him that he claimed his result. I don't like the trust being placed in someone who has been scanned as being not town.

Winston needs to die if not tonight then definitely tomorrow.

Count Dingdong's claim is bizarre, I'm not sure I see any reason why we shouldn't lynch him. Either he's lying scum and we should lynch him, or his claim is real and we lose very little by lynching him.

 

[choxorn]

He claimed it privately to BSmith before that.

 

[Sprig]

Notably they can't both be telling the truth. Either that or all of town is against Winston's VC. Which makes him a baddies and incapable of finding members of the Morgoth faction.

 

[Sprig]

(... through his character ability I mean. His natural deduction abilities could assist but I would easily put Count at his equal in that score too.)

 

[azzaman333]

He claimed it privately to BSmith before that.

I don't put much stock in private claims.

 

[Tanar Aerdoth]

I don't put much stock in private claims.

But, unless BSmith tells us he's lying, we know he did make the claim beforehand.

 

[Visorslash]

unvote; vote: winston changed my.mind
will explain in a few.hours

 

[Verarde]

Count Dingdong is my vote. I trust Winston a whole lot more right now than the Count.

 

[Zack]

Official Tally!

[TIMER=2/27/2015 11:59:59 PM EST; Day Two Over]tunnel snakes rule[/TIMER]

Spoiler :

12 Count Dingdong (BSmith1068, spaceman98, Riedquat, Winston Hughes, KingMorgan, Arakhor, Buddhafish, Tanar Aerdoth, Legato Endless, choxorn, azzaman333, Verarde)

6 Winston Hughes (Snerk, Takhisis, Backwards Logic, Newyn, Count Dingdong, Visorslash)

1 Backwards Logic (Sprig)
1 Tanar Aerdoth (Swammerdami)

0 No Lynch (n/a)

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2 Abstain (edse, Kennigit)

7 Not Voting (christos200, CivGeneral, Double A, JohannaK, remake20, TFT, topsecret)

 

[spaceman98]

Wow... a lot to go through

Okay, I just reread my role PM to make sure of a few things, and I realized you may have been asking something different. I forgot that this game had alignment: I'm neutral-evil, so I guess I am evil, in a sense. But I'm town-aligned. My ability is as follows: I'm dead, so after I'm killed, I'm still alive and can participate. My personal goal is to survive, though, so... I'd like that. I'm not sure if I can only survive a single kill or forever, but I'd prefer to not find out, due to personal wins and whatnot.

So your saying that if we lynch you, we lose nothing and get a confirmed townie who can still fully contribute to the game? I'm keeping my vote on you then.

Winston said what he had to say. He will not give away any information that decreases the chance of success for his faction. Be that Sith or another less anti town faction.

If you're pro-town, Winston is by far our best lynch choice today. The only thing that could change my mind was a full role reveal from Winston today.

I'm all for getting some info out of Count but I'm sure he'll be thoroughly scanned, blocked and probed tonight.

Your the first person so far to mention Sith. The rules make no mention of them. Just a hunch, or is there deeper reason to expect them?

 

[choxorn]

It seems like a reasonable guess for an anti-town faction. There's Star Wars and LOTR townies, so it stands to reason that there's Star Wars and LOTR bad guys. The Sith seem like a logical choice for a Star Wars bad guy.

 

[Buddhafish]

This is Zack we're talking about here...

I mean logically, yes. But Zack? Zack rarely follows convention or logic.

 

[Sprig]

OK I have heard enough. Winston Hughes

Count Dingdong. Winston claimed his result before he was said to be not town. That means he made the claim before he needed to buy time. If he can find us Morgothians, I think we should keep him alive.

There is no proof the Winston can find Morgoth faction. He could even be Morgoth faction himself!!! or he may not even have that ability (as opposed to another of his factions teamamate)

Ask yourself; Why does his faction need to scan alignment? I suspect Count wasn't offered up because of his alignment but simply because his VC clashed with Winston. Alignment is just simply a way to sell it. 'Evil' is an easy sell.

If you're lying, you're probably some sort of scum, which means we should lynch you.

If you're telling the truth, there isn't that much harm in you getting lynched, and it would tell us some things.

While I think you're telling the truth, as that would be a pretty ridiculous claim for a mafia to make and hope to get away with, I'd still say you're the best lynch today.

Vote: Count Dingdong

Ya what? you thinking he is telling the truth but want to lynch him over the word of a suspected scum?

No he didn't. It wasn't until after Snerk outed him that he claimed his result. I don't like the trust being placed in someone who has been scanned as being not town.

Winston needs to die if not tonight then definitely tomorrow.

Count Dingdong's claim is bizarre, I'm not sure I see any reason why we shouldn't lynch him. Either he's lying scum and we should lynch him, or his claim is real and we lose very little by lynching him.

How do you qualify that statement. By lynching him we leave Winston alive, if Winston then killed you at night would you feel the same?

Count Dingdong is my vote. I trust Winston a whole lot more right now than the Count.

Why is that? Winston is not going to show up town, You shouldn't be let of with such a light statement.

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If player A is a suspect, you do not test their trustworthiness (can't use innocence) by lynching their suspect. You should always test the validity of the accusation first.

 

[Visorslash]

Yeah I had a think about it and sprig basically said what I was going to. I also talked to winston and.he had.the same reticence as he did when he was scum in immortals. I even told him I was scanned clean but he refused to offer anything.

 

[choxorn]

Ya what? you thinking he is telling the truth but want to lynch him over the word of a suspected scum?

I don't have any reason to think Winston is lying right now, either, but I admit you have a point there.