NOTW XLIII - The Walkingdead!

[Mat93]

choxorn, you say those pills of yours can stop a lynch? Color me skeptical on that claim. Prove it.

If he actually does have the ability to stop a lynch, then its highly unlikely that he will be a company agent, otherwise he would of saved Autolycus (i am making a couple of assumptions there). Unless he saved it for a more active agent. I dont see what the agents VC would be, unless it is to catch the SK/thief and protect what happened that caused the outbreak.

Thats me thinking out loud, and confusing myself even more. For now i wont make a vote, as i have no clue on who is who/what.


All items to Backwards Logic.

 

[Backwards Logic]

If he actually does have the ability to stop a lynch, then its highly unlikely that he will be a company agent, otherwise he would of saved Autolycus (i am making a couple of assumptions there). Unless he saved it for a more active agent. I dont see what the agents VC would be, unless it is to catch the SK/thief and protect what happened that caused the outbreak.

Thats me thinking out loud, and confusing myself even more. For now i wont make a vote, as i have no clue on who is who/what.


All items to Backwards Logic.

I have two trains of thought here:

1) If he's company, Autolycus was inactive, and because he had revealed its lynch stopping powers saving him would have painted him as the lynch stopper. We'd re-lynch Auto, then turn on choxorn. In the end, both die anyway.

2) If he's zombie-related, I could see the pills doing something for him, though not lynch-stopping specific, and the lynch stopping powers were only a bluff to actually get the pills. This is the basis for my accusation: I'm not convinced they are what he says they are, as typically anti-lynch powers are not found in pro-town players.

 

[Bad Player]

If he actually does have the ability to stop a lynch, then its highly unlikely that he will be a company agent, otherwise he would of saved Autolycus (i am making a couple of assumptions there). Unless he saved it for a more active agent. I dont see what the agents VC would be, unless it is to catch the SK/thief and protect what happened that caused the outbreak.

Thats me thinking out loud, and confusing myself even more. For now i wont make a vote, as i have no clue on who is who/what.

All items to Backwards Logic.

Could I suggest that the company agents want to kill all witnesses and they will do this probably via night kills or by leading us into a trap. My theory anyway.

 

[DaveShack]

The Daryl Paine character is company, so remind me why classical_hero should remain a part of our party.

The deeds might be at the farm itself. Don't remember how much zombie threat there is near the farm in the civ3 scenario, I've only played it as survivors.

 

[Mat93]

I have two trains of thought here:

1) If he's company, Autolycus was inactive, and because he had revealed its lynch stopping powers saving him would have painted him as the lynch stopper. We'd re-lynch Auto, then turn on choxorn. In the end, both die anyway.

2) If he's zombie-related, I could see the pills doing something for him, though not lynch-stopping specific, and the lynch stopping powers were only a bluff to actually get the pills. This is the basis for my accusation: I'm not convinced they are what he says they are, as typically anti-lynch powers are not found in pro-town players.

#1 Good point. Now we know that if a lynch gets stopped it is likely him, or that we will turn on him.

#2 I cant say anything about the typically, maybe the pills are able to stop a person being infected after being bitten, and if they are, then hes definitely working with the zombies in some way (or one of them).

Could I suggest that the company agents want to kill all witnesses and they will do this probably via night kills or by leading us into a trap. My theory anyway.

Theres been no night kills at all so far (can someone confirm that?). I would say in that case it would be the latter, if they have advance info on it, but im not sure that the game would be structured so that 1 event would end the game with no chance to change it, and no one has really pushed that hard to go to a location without a legitimate reason for it. Its likely though that they would wait until there is less people alive, or until it doesnt look suspicious to go there, depending on where it is.

The Daryl Paine character is company, so remind me why classical_hero should remain a part of our party.

The deeds might be at the farm itself. Don't remember how much zombie threat there is near the farm in the civ3 scenario, I've only played it as survivors.

True he is, but Autolycus wasnt company, he was an undercover agent, i would expect there to be at least 1 more undercover company, although it would be nice if a company person came on and stated what their groups VC was, it could just be as innocent as wanting to catch the SK.


I need to go look back at where people have wanted to go to in terms of locations, i feel that contains some possibly useful info.

 

[Mat93]

The Daryl Paine character is company, so remind me why classical_hero should remain a part of our party.

Wait, how do you know hes company? Hes not the same colour as the others are, seems to be in a class all on his own (which is a bit suspicious).

 

[Mat93]

Im an idiot, hes the same colour Autolycus ended up as, so that would mean hes a company agent.

 

[Kennigit]

oh I posted "authority" when I meant company, but it looks like everyone assumed right in my mistake.

sure I'm down with vote: choxorn

 

[BSmith1068]

All items to Backwards Logic.

vote: choxorn

I am fine with the Detective Agency.

 

[classical_hero]

Player names and colours
The colour in the names of people in updates and player lists does not, I repeat, does not mean alignment (Town/enemy; Good/Evil) or other such things. It merely means the origin of anyone before they became part of the group.

The Daryl Paine character is company, so remind me why classical_hero should remain a part of our party.

The deeds might be at the farm itself. Don't remember how much zombie threat there is near the farm in the civ3 scenario, I've only played it as survivors.

I see you have not read the op properly. Auto was using a survivor cover to hide under. Do you really think that Takhisis would put me at risk by simply making me the same colour? He is an evil Scotsman, but not that evil.

 

[Gone 3 the Celt]

classical

 

[Bad Player]

On the debate lynch inactives vs let them be, maybe having true inactives around is a good thing because it decreases the risk that any of us gets infected (the more ppl in the game - unless it's a %risk which I doubt) after a zombie attack. If they get converted it doesn't matter - they are inactive.

 

[Earthling]

choxorn is a pretty terrible lynch for the reasons being given publicly. I don't see why we're ignoring activity scans and general evidence of vanilla-townieness, especially when that one argument against choxorn (an ability it sounds like someone "shouldn't" have, which is an item ability even, gotta be easy to check) goes even more strongly for a couple others.

I'd prefer classical_hero if only because it would save some future trouble and break some possibly dangerous voting blocks, but that's not a good choice to me. We have better lynch priorities than both of them. There's reason to think classical_hero is not the thief, for now we can suppose he's not a Company Agent in the same way as Autolycus either; I've never believed he's fully town and would take his lynch over another survivor but it's not great.

Next, going to the detective agency. I thought about it and actually changed my mind again, something isn't quite clear to me.

So, Kennigit claims he investigates a place to determine what's there, but hasn't investigated the detective agency - so what, someone else told you about the items there? Who is that? I'd propose - take one more night and actually scan the place for zombies if you truthfully could do that. I'm going back again away from the detective agency to the coastguard, which should be safer and one day doesn't seem to matter too much at this point; I'd rather be cautious than risky when dealing with zombies.

Now to bringing up the best lead we've got on the scum right now. I'm disappointed in the lack of discussion, but perhaps for everyone including folks I've not really interacted with in private I need to give a better explanation.

TheForestAuro certainly looks like he's allied with Autolycus. You don't ignore connections to a dead scum, especially when Autolycus only did effectively two things the entire time - argue with Bad Player from the start, and defend TFA.

-Autolycus tried to dismiss suspicion of TFA way back when people were suspicious over the lynch surviving.
-TFA got really jumpy proposing "let's lynch nobody" again and again over the past couple days, when Autolycus was finally up for the lynch.

That's on top of the whole, mysterious non-vanilla role with lynch surviving abilities, and "act like there are no scum other than zombies." I know people others here found that all suspicious before, many of you can read some of your own posts on TFA. With Autolycus revealed as part of a group conspiracy we need to follow up on that as much as we can, it's the obvious choice.

That all said I'd reiterate again that we unfortunately can't try to lynch TFA today as it would probably fail and we'd waste our time, but I'm still interested in working out a vig.

I'm also thinking I'd like today's items.

 

[Backwards Logic]

Since when are you a huge proponent of taking everyone at their word? This is merely a test Earthling: if he's telling the truth, he'll protect himself with the pills and confirm they do in fact do what he says they do. If he's lying, he won't be able to protect himself, and if there's one thing we don't need is misinformation. He'll get lynched anyway and problem solved.

And no, it's not that easy to check if he's telling the truth or not. We could have *maybe* checked had the pills just been voted to me in the first place, but nope, we just gave it to the guy saying he could use it without putting any thought behind it. Chances are, like the booze I received yesterday, I'd have 'no idea what they'd do to me if I consumed it.' So no, verifying it any other way that I can think of isn't possible. Unless you or anyone has a better idea of checking out what he's stating, I stand by the lynch.

 

[Earthling]

What I'm not a proponent of is wasting our lynches when we likely have a scum team and serial killer to get rid of. The only reasonable "test" I'm seeing here is the test of which people bandwagon on lynches without a great reason. That already happened once with SouthernKing where you and BadPlayer didn't share what evidence you might have had.

We could have Gone 3 the Celt scan choxorn if he must because I'm trusting that as a check for innocence, otherwise I do feel going after choxorn is a waste of time in the first place. Have choxorn give the pills to someone else and leave them there if it's still that big of a concern.

Basically, my concern is I don't really care about this pills item or see why it matters that much. Testing what the pills do isn't worth our time to the point of taking a whole day's lynch. The thing people might want to "test" appears to be "is choxorn a scum." This lynch strategy isn't actually effective for that because if the pills stop the lynch we still don't know either way, and choxorn just isn't the best suspect in the first place.

 

[Backwards Logic]

Let's clarify something. There's no such thing as a wasted lynch, except when people abstain or vote no lynch.

Lynches give information. They can see who's caught in a lie, they can reveal who's with who, and they can be used as an interrogation tool to make people flinch. Lynches give one thing besides the obvious guilty or not scan: information.

I voted Southern King because I wanted him to speak up. If he didn't, oh well, no loss. Like you, I'm not keen sitting around and waiting for answers to come to me. If he's not contributing publicly, it's one less person to have to scan/watch/vig later due them being a total unknown. I should point out you were okay with this pressure when it was happening, didn't lift a finger then to stop it, and then now only start placing blame to make some point I haven't quite grasped yet. Because you see, you're voting landlubber now on the very same premise I voted Southern King then. What's up, dude?

 

[Earthling]

I didn't have a reason to stop the SouthernKing lynch, true, but I'm not complaining about the result of the lynch itself so much as the intention to lynch people without sharing information.

Here's the relevant part:

Why? I think there is a case for getting rid of southern king that isn't based on guesswork.

Could other people help get rid of southern king - at least this way we get something positive out of the lynch.

Bad Player claimed to people, maybe in private too, he had relevant evidence/ability tells against SouthernKing, and people bandwagoned on that.

If Bad Player informed you of nothing and his reasons were his own then you weren't involved in that. It was a fair lurker lynch at face value. It's hard to tell though - the public thread has not seen much mention of when things like the coffee has been used - remember that case on j65 that popped out of nowhere too, was that based on coffee or what? If the problem is really that you, Backwards Logic, have not been privy to enough evidence and are having to blindly follow Bad Player or someone else in your private dealings, maybe they need to answer some things in the same way you think choxorn needs to

My point is that withholding information at this point is not usually helping. To be honest people are right to point out that Bad Player especially has been onboard an awful lot of innocent lynches; it's possible to think you guys are still innocent but your method of deciding who to lynch and what to do isn't working.

 

[Backwards Logic]

Earthling, context is really important when you quote things and make cases:

Post 543

Why? I think there is a case for getting rid of southern king that isn't based on guesswork.

Could other people help get rid of southern king - at least this way we get something positive out of the lynch.

Post 544

SouthernKing looks fine to me.

Post 545

Brrrriiiiip! Posting closed for update.

This was not a 'first post of the day' post. Nor second. Or third. It was the fifty-third out of 54 daytime posts. You're making it seem like this was the whole reason for the bandwagon, when in fact it only added one vote to the six total. Five still lynches him.

Your point from earlier is that BP is lying about his information, or not sharing it, and that directly led to the lynch of Sorthern King. Illustrated above, it couldn't be further from the facts. So, I ask again: What's up, dude?

 

[Frozen In Ice]

Backwards Logic, if you think anti-lynch powers don't go with innocents why have you not been all over TheForestAuro?

All Items to Earthling It's time someone else got the items.

 

[Takhisis]

Could Takhisis clarify this?

No martial law.