NOTW XXXIX: Impending Retribution Game Thread

[Ekolite]

Seon, Ekolite, and Bsmith all do owe explanations for why they are not saboteurs though. I think we have zero night actions solidly accounted for for every one of them. But the bandwagon on Takhisis is going to end, we could let Methos be and go back for CCRunner or something, it'll just take votes. Really the more Innocents are willing to cooperate the more we'd really get something done. Tell us information, show any missing or critical items to someone like myself or rhawn. I can confirm people should talk to Autolycus or Duke Blackstone on repairs and hopefully the saboteurs are running out bombs for kills but we can keep reapirs up.

My night actions are accounted for. I am able to carry out GSR scans to find out whether somebody has a gun or not. Now that there are no rogues it is probably fairly unuseful, but that's what I've been doing at night.

In RP terms, I'm supposed to use it to find the assault rifles for my personal goal, but obviously it's easy enough to work out who has them in a meta sense by looking at the secret voting patterns.

 

[Seon]

Well why not heal us? Even if we're not important, anybody is more useful healed than injured, regardless of their ability. As long as you have unlimited heals, you have absolutely no excuse to not heal everyone who's injured, as long as there isn't more than one injured person.

So?

I don't need to heal if I don't want to. In both cases, I discussed the matter with Winston Hughes, who agreed with me that none of you should be healed based on how useless your ability was (in choxorn's case), and how easily you could be a saboteur. In Takhisis, he agreed that Takhisis should not be healed based on his several ludicrously circuitous replies to my questions. When he DID tell me that he told everyone his ability a couple of days ago, which he should have mentioned in the first PM, I determined that he was better off injured. Simply because of how annoyed I was at him.

But the point is that my actions need not make any sense. Doing so usually gets suspicious people like you.

Let's assume that you are a saboteur, and flip the chessboard to think what you would think. You don't want to get caught, obviously. So when the bomb explodes in your face, you start to worry. You make up a half-baked lie and then send it to everyone whom you were asked by it.

But the known Doctor refuses to help you, just like he refused to help Takhisis before. So you begin to think if you can use this as an opportunity. You comment upon how nonsensical I had acted in order to look active, look like a good townie, and look like a sensible person.

Saying it once may be acceptable. But saying it twice? And then repeating yourself again despite the fact that most people would give up after a couple of tries in public thread?

I think that is the behavior of a true scum. Therefore, Takhisis choxorn, welcome to my suspicion world number 1.

Takhisis and Earthling gets an exemption from this rule because they are known to be annoying.

 

[Ekolite]

Because of… what? I still don't get it.

What else is there to get? I just explained my reasoning in the post that you quoted:

No it's not an OMGUS vote. I don't like the way you've been acting and I find some of it more then a bit suspicious. I think you're trying to hide in plain sight. You're dishing out votes at random trying to flush out those oh-so-suspicious quiet ones, whom you have no logical reason to suspect, and repeatedly attacking me despite no one else supporting you in your flimsy accusations. You're relying on the fact that many people would assume that someone so loud and boisterous couldn't possibly be scum because if they were they'd try to avoid attracting so much attention to themselves.

Now that the rogues are dead, meaning that if you are scum you're a non-killing saboteur, I feel confident to say this in public.

And as for the items, I guess you're new or something? I always vote them to myself.. If you really suspected me to be guilty you could have asked one of the other oldies like Renata or Methos about my voting behaviour and they probably would have told you that. But I don't think you do really suspect me, because I think you know who the saboteurs are and you're one of them.

So to reiterate Takhisis, you're scum.

 

[DaveShack]

Nice day to sit in a deck chair, eating popcorn and watching the accusations fly. Too bad we have no deck chairs and no popcorn.

 

[Takhisis]

There you go:

btw feel free to produce any useful information and stuff instead of the occasional lurktastic poast when called out by Izipo.

 

[Takhisis]

Why not?

I do not feel as if I really need to provide any reason to deny anyone my healing services. If you annoy me, then I do not heal you. If you bore me, I do not heal you. If I see that your ability is not really required for the continued survival of the town, I do not heal you. And it's not as if I came to this conclusion by myself either.

'My ability'? Such as my vote, which has been agreed upon to be THE most important tool in the Innocents' hands?

What else is there to get? I just explained my reasoning in the post that you quoted:

You say that 'voting the items to yourself' is something you always do and that therefore I must be new not to know this. Then you say that I want to hide in plain sight. Don't you even read? My signature for one? I'm usually among the top-three posters in any game for as long as I'm alive. Are you new to this game?

Takhisis and Earthling gets an exemption from this rule because they are known to be annoying.

So you're getting personal now? Great.

 

[DaveShack]

I get my useful information from the give & take. With one of the "factions" gone, it should get a little easier to figure out groupings. At this point the groupings I know about are confirmed innocents, suspected innocents, and unknowns. Some of the unknowns are saboteurs, and some of the suspected innocents are probably saboteurs too. Even with the rogues gone there is still the chance that someone has nightkill ability, so I don't want to risk the confirmed innocents' source by expanding on that further.

 

[Seon]

'My ability'? Such as my vote, which has been agreed upon to be THE most important tool in the Innocents' hands?

A vote is worthless. Everyone has a vote, even the anti-town. You will not convince me otherwise.

You say that 'voting the items to yourself' is something you always do and that therefore I must be new not to know this. Then you say that I want to hide in plain sight. Don't you even read? My signature for one? I'm usually among the top-three posters in any game for as long as I'm alive. Are you new to this game?

Ekolite has been in this business longer than you.

So you're getting personal now? Great.

Of course. I personally feel distaste if somebody accuses somebody else and their reason for doing so disregards the other's playstyle.

 

[Backwards Logic]

End Morning Phase Nine, Start Midday Phase Nine

Journal Entry Number Twenty-Six. 13:00 shipboard time.

With the Rogue Agents dead, the ship was abuzz with activity as numerous topics were discussed. First of which was the ship’s current heading and for the first half of the day the ship plowed onward toward insurgent waters. How to fix the ship’s heading was a major topic, and robbiecon received a handful of pointed accusations due to him acquiring the Navigation Override Card a few days ago. Others believed CCRunner’s act of supercharging the reactor was the culprit and received votes against him as well.

The other point of interest was Takhisis and his piloting skills of the Apache. An idea of him flying suspected Saboteurs off the ship was floated, along with the idea of flying the diplomat off the ship. Despite ideas for his claimed skills, he was also tied for the execution lead due to some apparently fishy behavior.

The item votes were equally spread out, though rhawn was the leader or tied for the lead for most items. Receiving the most attention was Renata’s Flak Jacket where a resurgent Captain Methos was leading the charge to acquire the item. The day was still far from over and nothing was cut and dry and this point.

Once again, the ship plowed into a mine and once again damaged the Magazine extensively. With the compartment damaged as much as it was, the crew breathed a sigh of relief as there was no discernible effect noticed across the ship. Still though, the dwindling repair crews would have their work cut out for them tonight.

~~~​

Vote Tally:



Execution:

CCRunner: 2
robbiecon: 2
Takhisis: 2
civplayah: 1
choxorn: 1

Container:

rhawn: 2
Ekolite: 1
robbiecon: 1

Silenced Pistol:

Ekolite: 2
rhawn: 2
Earthling: 1
robbiecon: 1

Nuclear Launch Key “B”

rhawn: 2
Autolycus: 1
Ekolite: 1

Flak Jacket:

Methos: 3
rhawn: 2
Ekolite: 1
Izipo: 1

Key to the Electrical Room

rhawn: 2
Ekolite: 1
robbiecon: 1

Voting Still Open.

• Execution votes in Bold
• Vote for Kennigit's Container in Dark Red
• Vote for Sprig's Silenced Pistol in Red.
• Vote for Sprig's Nuclear Launch Key “B” in Dark Orange.
• Vote for Renata's Flak Jacket in Blue.
• Vote for Renata's Key to the Electrical Room in Purple.

Quick Notes:

• No Promotions to report.
• Damage Report: Magazine damaged to 80%.
• Over/Under Number is 4.
• Remember: Keep it civil and IC please.

Deadline for all voting is 23 hours from this post!

 

[Earthling]

Well, everyone, I think we ought to take a step back and consider our options, we have been very inefficient and ineffective so far and have a lot of tools at our disposal we should put to use.

Firstly, stop voting for Takhisis again guys. I would like to execute a possible saboteur today but it's not going to be him, but robbiecon could work until we can safely secure navigation and that override. Plus I'd like to know where the rest of those claymore mines are, the whole crew should know unless there's a good reason not to. My last understanding from Renata was that we'd trapped some rather less saboteur trafficked but Rogue-worrisome which won't help with the systems and core of the ship that keeps us sailing. More on that in a bit.

Takhisis can prove he does what he does and thus his Innocence very easily. Ekolite and Bsmith I ought to say I was aware of both your abilities and that's not what I call clearing someone at night, both abilities could have been faked by a saboteur just pretending they could catch rogues, false results especially look really bad. But we can have Takhisis accounted for tonight, maybe brig or execute someone else.

As for other tools in our disposal - we have both a vig-kill and a way to take out of comission any suspected saboteurs if we want. With the lynch and the helicopter, we'd make progress on 3-4 suspects a day so I really think we should just have everyone not already cleared as strongly Innocent go through one of these methods. If you don't want to be the one vig-killed, obviously, better cooperate on everything else.

The way we can get a suspect, preferably with a useless ability, to be made less of a threat is by injuring them through a claymore explosive. Already had been talking about this with regards to some folks like choxorn in the past, but I think we ought to send a couple folks to purposely trigger remaining mines (no use against the rogues anymore at any rate). That would injure them but remove the traps, but all in all, for people whose abilities appear useless to the crew, would be very effective- and if they were saboteurs, they'd be injured and not able to do anything.

So first suggestion - Takhisis takes Methos off the ship tonight. Both of them would be under threat of reprisal tomorrow if they don't follow through, that seems a really good idea at this point though.

Second suggestion - if anyone is suspicious of choxorn, and admittedly the nights he was injured seem by far the most unusual in saboteur damage, he should go trigger a mine. I'd preferably like to send two or three people on a similar mission, who don't have something else to do. But no reason to vote for choxorn here.

Last thing isn't really a suggestion but just a notice - we probably are going to try to vig-kill some suspected saboteur. I see no reason not to, people are very expendable with the rogues gone and even whatever foreign business is going on probably out of our hair soon too. If you don't do repairs or something else useful, or have evidence towards your Innocence, that needs to change somehow. (this goes for a lot of you lurkers in particular)

 

[choxorn]

So?

I don't need to heal if I don't want to. In both cases, I discussed the matter with Winston Hughes, who agreed with me that none of you should be healed based on how useless your ability was (in choxorn's case), and how easily you could be a saboteur. In Takhisis, he agreed that Takhisis should not be healed based on his several ludicrously circuitous replies to my questions. When he DID tell me that he told everyone his ability a couple of days ago, which he should have mentioned in the first PM, I determined that he was better off injured. Simply because of how annoyed I was at him.

Alright, this explanation is reasonable, but, as Earthling pointed out, you have no night actions that have been accounted for, so you're not off my suspicious list yet.

Saying it once may be acceptable. But saying it twice? And then repeating yourself again despite the fact that most people would give up after a couple of tries in public thread?

I've only mentioned it once before in the thread, you know, and both times it was shortly after Takhisis voiced the same thing.

Anyway, CCRunner for the vote, rhawn can have the Container, Pistol, and Key to the electrical room, Methos can have the Flak Jacket, and Autolycus can have the Reactor Key.

 

[Seon]

I've only mentioned it once before in the thread, you know, and both times it was shortly after Takhisis voiced the same thing.

You k ow that just makes it even more suspiscious, right?

 

[Ekolite]

'My ability'? Such as my vote, which has been agreed upon to be THE most important tool in the Innocents' hands?

You say that 'voting the items to yourself' is something you always do and that therefore I must be new not to know this. Then you say that I want to hide in plain sight. Don't you even read? My signature for one? I'm usually among the top-three posters in any game for as long as I'm alive. Are you new to this game?

I'm an old player returning. Personally I don't know who you are, a lot of people have joined NOTW since I left.

You have no evidence to accuse me with, yet have voted for me for the past two or three days. The only thing you have is that I am supposedly lurking because I haven't posted much in the thread. That doesn't mean I haven't been involved to some extent behind the scenes.

I assume you have no legitimate arguement to my accusations because if you did maybe you would post them instead of pretending not to understand my posts?

 

[choxorn]

You k ow that just makes it even more suspiscious, right?

If I thought there was anything I could say that would make you find me less suspicious, I'd say it.

Well, I guess I could mention that Renata gave me a wrench yesterday and I used it to repair the Magazine a little bit... but nah, you'd probably still think I was a saboteur.

 

[Autolycus]

Unless someone counter-claims in private, I'd say that's pretty decent evidence for choxorn's innocence. Choxorn, is your repair a personal ability or a rank ability? Answer me in private if you prefer.

 

[Seon]

If I thought there was anything I could say that would make you find me less suspicious, I'd say it.

Well, I guess I could mention that Renata gave me a wrench yesterday and I used it to repair the Magazine a little bit... but nah, you'd probably still think I was a saboteur.

Nah, that makes things different. choxy.

Meanwhile, I personally find locking up either takhisis or CCrunner to be wasteful. Both of them were brigged/injured beforehand. Therefore, I suggest that we brig Mr. Bsmith.

 

[Earthling]

I can already confirm choxorn did those repairs, and Renata told a few of us that's what was planned to be done. It adds up, he must've repaired the magazine. Again my understanding was that CCRunner was supposed to do repairs and not mess with the Reactor anyway, but of course I'm going to be unhappy about that regardless. It still worked out for the worst even if we assume CCRunner is Innocent, shouldn't have tried to speed up the ship till the Engines were out of critical and back to like 0% damage, and as it stands now we're in a terrible position.

Robbiecon I'd really like to hear from you again though. I'm pushing an execution on someone today, executing saboteurs could be our quickest ticket out of this mess. And really the simple fact you have the nav card and we're in trouble is worth a few votes. But then again, we know that CCRunner for instance was actually on the Bridge, in the midst of other saboteur attacks, because by his own claim he had to have been on the Bridge to do his thing to the Reactor controls, and that's all scummy too. I don't like CCRunner voting for robbiecon either and would rather prefer executing robbiecon wasn't our litmus test for some others, instead have robbiecon be the one tested.

 

[rhawn]

Today wouldn't be agoodb day to just take out an inactive. The people who are saying things seemed to have done their jobs last evening. The repairs seemed to match the most optimistic projection, minus renata's repair which she obviously couldn't do, with expected saboteur destruction.

I haven't heard from any of the inactives so PaulusIII for execution. I'll take some of the items (container, pistol, and electrical key) to be distributed to those who need later. Autolycus can have the launch key.

I wonder why and Methos wants his flak jacket back. It seems to protect from the claymore traps but I don't think he repairs anything.

 

[choxorn]

Unless someone counter-claims in private, I'd say that's pretty decent evidence for choxorn's innocence. Choxorn, is your repair a personal ability or a rank ability? Answer me in private if you prefer.

I find the chance of a counter-claim to be high, since the magazine was repaired more than I'm capable of repairing it, meaning someone else must have repaired it, too.

Personal.

 

[Earthling]

Well it's granted by an item though. But yes, choxorn is

I'd really think we ought to go for robbiecon or CCRunner today guys. Paulus isn't bad and he did act saboteur-ish in his most recent votes, after a long time or lurking. But is it worth executing him today when he might not even be around to respond? Regarding the former, both clearly have the items that could have been used in the saboteur actions like night. Somebody has to be responsible, and they have the Navigation Card, and Nuclear Reactor Codes respectively. We even know CCRunner was physically on the bridge by his own claims if he sped up the reactor, so that's not good reason at all he couldn't have done some other saboteur stuff right there too. And while CCRunner has claimed some other abilities, robbiecon's other known ability was only ever anti-Rogue and I'm not sure he was allegedly using it last night.

I'll go change some item votes though. Autolycus could really use the flak jacket, Autolycus is fine, and then rhawn.