NOTW XXXIX: Impending Retribution Game Thread

[Frozen In Ice]

I'm not sure of what to make about the accusation against Methos. I'd like to hear more from Civplayah personally.

 

[Duke Blackstone]

The heli does work that way, just an FYI. My PG is to escape the ship on the Heli with my "brother", so it can even carry two people. Betcha didnt know that. I havent tried to fulfill it, because my main victory is to have the ship arrive in port safely (basic innocent win), and I have managed to help a little (promotions and the like). Also, I would have to get Tak to teach me to fly, and we both thought the other scum at one point.

Speaking of which, we have 3 open spots in the rank chart. Who should get those positions?

 

[Earthling]

We designate a person to leave. If he refuses to leave, we kill him. It's that simple.


No, Methos will stay. Espescially so if he has a kill ability.

We could likely only do that once, the helicopter isn't a magical teleportation device. And you gotta know the next answer - if not Methos, YOU should leave. You are pretty worthless to us, at most you had some drugs or claim to heal someone, doesn't even matter at this point versus getting a possible saboteur gone.

And no, it doesn't really work for Methos to stay. Firstly because a better answer is to get the Revolver (which grants the kills, it seems) handed over to an Innocent who could carry out vig-kills if they wished, not a third-party who could turn on the Innocents. And I still don't know, officer Seon, what position you think you are in to know exactly how all these things work, none of it was your job or area of expertise and I don't see why you'd know anything about the helicopter at all really, let alone something contradictory to, say, Takhisis

But really here - there's a more important thing I'd like to point out for everyone to consider really, that in voting today and any day going forward. I'll also go back to CCRunner, but to get to the point:

We have very little way at all to determine what nights saboteurs were planting bombs or doing nasty stuff. I want to be very clear - our source of "information" on how their explosives work was sprig, who was a Rogue, and was lying about whatever he had with his own bombs. It seemed he didn't even perform his bomb-checking ability at least half the time, and that's if he ever had one in the first place (he could easily have been behind several kills and just claim "yeah, sure, no bombs found in whatever place." Especially with his allies Kennigit and Zack who both carried out a lot of repairs, sprig could have just had no such ability at all and claimed to fit in).

What that all adds up to - last night, for instance, the saboteurs made like what, 6 or 7 independent attacks? There's no way that was 6 or 7 people in one Night, that's several Nights of bomb-planting or something similar. So before anyone gives a shallow and probably wrong reason about who's cleared of bomb-planting or sabotage some particular night, we ought to consider the above.

 

[Earthling]

Missed some stuff above so new reply.

About the helicopter:

We need to confirm:
-Can it come back? How fast?
-Would Takhisis come back with it if he was the one flying? (and small side-concern, is he confident he'd be in control. With the Rogues gone I think this is ignorable but just in case)
-Current understanding is we that no one could be made to go unwillingly, but we'd force them to go on threat of an execution the next day.

Depending on the answers to the above, I'm all for us collectively forcing someone to be sent off. I would still go for Methos, that way he lives as a foreign diplomat, might as well admit it, and we wash our hands of that whole business. But if it'll be saboteur, yes, I'd have recommendations too. If the helicopter and Takhisis come back then anyone else after it or whatever at that point, fine, it has no bearing on myself nor getting the ship back to port for the Innocents beyond that.

 

[Seon]

We could likely only do that once, the helicopter isn't a magical teleportation device. And you gotta know the next answer - if not Methos, YOU should leave. You are pretty worthless to us, at most you had some drugs or claim to heal someone, doesn't even matter at this point versus getting a possible saboteur gone.

Nonsense. I am hardly a suspected saboteur, no matter what you would say. And you also do not lynch a person based upon their uselessness.

If we begin to lynch people based upon uselessness, I suggest we start with you, Miss Katie.

What exactly were you up to all these nights? As a known townie, I would assume you would not mind a full public disclosure.

And no, it doesn't really work for Methos to stay. Firstly because a better answer is to get the Revolver (which grants the kills, it seems) handed over to an Innocent who could carry out vig-kills if they wished, not a third-party who could turn on the Innocents. And I still don't know, officer Seon, what position you think you are in to know exactly how all these things work, none of it was your job or area of expertise and I don't see why you'd know anything about the helicopter at all really, let alone something contradictory to, say, Takhisis

The point is that I personally value Methos being on my side than any 3 random headless townie combined, and killing a person who is highly likely to not be a saboteur is a damn waste of time. Most townies vote randomly and follow a leader of any kind. Any good leader that is not a saboteur, I would welcome at this point.

 

[CCRunner]

Robbiecon just saying that the navigation override codes still exist doesn't mean you didn't use them. They don't just poof away. The fact is, we're currently turned around and as far as I'm aware, you're the only one with the means to have done so

 

[Earthling]

If we begin to lynch people based upon uselessness, I suggest we start with you, Miss Katie.

What exactly were you up to all these nights? As a known townie, I would assume you would not mind a full public disclosure.

I'm not useless and on balance would rather stay around and help our Innocent crew, but a helicopter ticket out of here does continue to grow in value it seems, it wouldn't be entirely unwelcome if no one is going to bother to try to save our ship anyway.

As for you, like I believe I once I said to sprig, our late Rogue, if you're not going to bother reading what's already on the thread, you shouldn't ask such questions.

So you could have seen I ALREADY gave a report on my ability (and personal goal) Days ago and what I've done each night. And lots of others know this and we've discussed and confirmed it in private. But sure, continuing to the present I scanned the Bridge Night Five and CIC Night six, for the record that helped us partially find sprig in a place he wasn't supposed to be, not doing his supposed bomb scan it seemed. And then I was rather pointlessly brigged brigged and had electrical down since.

Now you, Seon, haven't told anyone we know of a single thing you've done any night, with any personal ability.

 

[Seon]

Who is this "we" you speak of?

 

[Earthling]

People who are Innocent. The set of people that doesn't include you.

 

[Seon]

If that is the case, then certain people did, indeed hear about what I had been doing each night.

 

[Takhisis]

I do not think that we should Lynch Tak yet, but he better do what he knows is right and teach someone else to fly.

All in due time, but

• I won't teach anyone without a purpose
• Not many have stepped forward and pressed their case

The heli does work that way, just an FYI. My PG is to escape the ship on the Heli with my "brother", so it can even carry two people. Betcha didnt know that. I havent tried to fulfill it, because my main victory is to have the ship arrive in port safely (basic innocent win), and I have managed to help a little (promotions and the like). Also, I would have to get Tak to teach me to fly, and we both thought the other scum at one point.

Write to me on this, not-quite-scum .

Speaking of which, we have 3 open spots in the rank chart. Who should get those positions?

Whoever is thought best, but they'll be chosen by Methos. Hope he's trustworthy.

Who is this "we" you speak of?

I for one haffn't heard anyzink from ju except ramblinks und ju calling me 'meatbag'. It's 'Meatbag' vith a capital 'M'.

Vy haff you never healed any off ze injured, Herr Doktor?

 

[Seon]

Whoever is thought best, but they'll be chosen by Methos. Hope he's trustworthy.

Agreed.

I for one haffn't heard anyzink from ju except ramblinks und ju calling me 'meatbag'. It's 'Meatbag' vith a capital 'M'.

Vy haff you never healed any off ze injured, Herr Doktor?

I am not German. And I do not need to answer that question. And that accent is silly.

 

[BSmith1068]

Seon, Ekolite, and Bsmith all do owe explanations for why they are not saboteurs though. I think we have zero night actions solidly accounted for for every one of them.

rhawn can vouch for me.

 

[Takhisis]

I am not German. And I do not need to answer that question. And that accent is silly.

You don't need to answer that question? Then how do we know of your supposed not-scumness?

Und ze aksent is not silly.

 

[Seon]

You don't need to answer that question? Then how do we know of your supposed not-scumness?

I don't need to answer it because I have already answered it.

 

[Takhisis]

'Because you bore me' is not an answer.

 

[Seon]

'Because you bore me' is not an answer.

Why not?

I do not feel as if I really need to provide any reason to deny anyone my healing services. If you annoy me, then I do not heal you. If you bore me, I do not heal you. If I see that your ability is not really required for the continued survival of the town, I do not heal you. And it's not as if I came to this conclusion by myself either.

 

[choxorn]

Well why not heal us? Even if we're not important, anybody is more useful healed than injured, regardless of their ability. As long as you have unlimited heals, you have absolutely no excuse to not heal everyone who's injured, as long as there isn't more than one injured person.

 

[rhawn]

I would like to hear something from the following people: civplayah, landlubber, Niklas, PaulusIII, TheLastOne36, and thomas.berubeg. Anything will suffice but complete silence is damning.

 

[Izipo]

You forgot Daveshack, too. Probably the most intriguing absence, especially if you examine his last action before going AWOL. And btw, he's been active on other parts of the site... Just not here.