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The USSR used to, not sure if the Russians do.
Obama to call for repeal of DADT in State of the Union
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The USSR used to, not sure if the Russians do.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Those are actually listed as Combat Support positions.
Even when they actually serve in combat? Granted a ship isn't all that likely to be hit these days, but it does happen. And any aircraft can be shot down in a combat zone.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Even then. One of the really odd things about it is military police are not considered combat arms, but combat support as well. Despite the fact that a female MP actually was awarded the Silver Star for bravery in combat in the last few years.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
Trying to call MPs combat arms is disingenuous at best. They are basically cops who are supposed to not be anywhere near combat zones under normal conditions. Their job is like any other cops - to maintain law and order amongst the military personnel, and at times to act as the police to the civilian population in non-combat zones.
Of course, that distinction is likely going to get a bit blurred when you try to occupy a country against the wishes of a large portion of the population, especially while being seriously undermanned to properly perform the task.
So yes, in that sense I would agree it was likely at times a "bureacratic fiction".
Of course, that distinction is likely going to get a bit blurred when you try to occupy a country against the wishes of a large portion of the population, especially while being seriously undermanned to properly perform the task.
So yes, in that sense I would agree it was likely at times a "bureacratic fiction".
Huh.
I don't really know this stuff. My wife knows an army gal who was shot at & and shot back while in Afghanistan. I guess that's not the same thing as being a unit that would be part of an armed offensive.
Well, back from work, and I see the usuals still stick to the same old same old. There really is no point talking to some of you.
Anyway, we talked a bit about it at work today, and I was relieved some of my fellow Lts shared my point of view. It will definately create some interesting "leadership challenges," as we like to call them, for some leaders in the military.
Anyway, we talked a bit about it at work today, and I was relieved some of my fellow Lts shared my point of view. It will definately create some interesting "leadership challenges," as we like to call them, for some leaders in the military.
useless
Social Justice Rogue
Tell me more about your incredibly liberal, progressive views on homosexuals and whether or not they should be allowed the same rights as you or i.
Maybe they should study how some leaders in the private sector have successfully addressed the challenges of open orientation mixing with bigotry.
useless
Social Justice Rogue
I still do not understand your dislike for homosexuals.
Oerdin
Deity
Obama didn't have to call for anything. He could have just done it and that's exactly what he should have done.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Trying to call MPs combat arms is disingenuous at best. They are basically cops who are supposed to not be anywhere near combat zones under normal conditions. Their job is like any other cops - to maintain law and order amongst the military personnel, and at times to act as the police to the civilian population in non-combat zones.
Of course, that distinction is likely going to get a bit blurred when you try to occupy a country against the wishes of a large portion of the population, especially while being seriously undermanned to properly perform the task.
So yes, in that sense I would agree it was likely at times a "bureacratic fiction".
These statements show a lack of understanding of asymetric warfare and of the actual MP mission. Case in point, the female MP that received the Silver Star did so by engaging an ambush on the covoy her MP platoon was providing escort for. While MPs arent expected to be on the front lines, they are indeed expected to be quite close to them, being responsible for enemy prisoner of war (EPOW) handling, site security, and convoy protection among other things.
Well, thats just a sign of the times. There isnt really anyone immune to receiving enemy fire that deploys to either Iraq or Afghanistan, and since all MOS's deploy, pretty much anyone can get shot if they are unlucky enough.
Its because I haven't displayed any sort of dislike in this thread. I haven't said anything to substantiate your preconceptions of me (preconceptions based on the fact that i oppose the repeal of DADT), and thus you are confused.
useless
Social Justice Rogue
Yes, your support of a law which discriminates against a minority does not in any way imply that you may dislike that certain minority.
PiMan
Deity
It isn't that you like or dislike them, it is just that you think gay people are incapable of the discipline that armed forces are known for instilling. It isn't dislike, it is discrimination.
I think he's saying that the bigots won't have the discipline to deal with the new openness.
I think they are capable of the same level of discipline as any man or woman. I made that clear, as well. it is discrimination, you are right. But discrimination based on real concerns, not unfounded bigotry or hatred. Concerns very similar to those that prevent women from serving in the combat arms as well.
We also discriminate on athletic ability. And size. Like no crap, if you are fat, we will kick you out, regardless of how well you perform. And many other things. its not always bad.
We also discriminate on athletic ability. And size. Like no crap, if you are fat, we will kick you out, regardless of how well you perform. And many other things. its not always bad.
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