I haven't seen you present one yet that you haven't retreated from.
Obama to call for repeal of DADT in State of the Union
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Does CNN offer reading comprehension classes?
You need one?
PiMan
Deity
He means he's comprehending your written bigotry just fine, so he is wondering if you were curious for your own purposes.
capslock, may I please direct you towards this post by Miles Teg that could do with your attention:
He's still failed to sufficiently explain why like more than 20 different countries from Israel to the UK to the Phillipenes to Germany are able to have homosexuals serve openly in their military but the US is incapable. The response I got was something along the lines of THIS IS AMERIKKAAAAA!!!! HURRRR!!!
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Actually, Miles has it wrong. There isnt really a 'fraternization reg' per se, but its a chapter in AR 600-20, Army Command Policy. What it will result in is a huge explosion of sexual harassment and sexual assault cases for my office. Jolly was directly wrong in assuming it will lessen the JAG workload, in fact, if it did get repealed, we anticipate the opposite.
I can see it now. Gay guy makes pass at 11B10 and gets a knuckle sandwich. We end up kicking the gay guy out for sexual harassment and we also have to kick out the 11B for assault. Multiply that by thousands. Yeah, lets hear it for how much more effective the repeal of DADT has made our military.....
useless
Social Justice Rogue
Actually, Miles has it wrong. There isnt really a 'fraternization reg' per se, but its a chapter in AR 600-20, Army Command Policy. What it will result in is a huge explosion of sexual harassment and sexual assault cases for my office. Jolly was directly wrong in assuming it will lessen the JAG workload, in fact, if it did get repealed, we anticipate the opposite.
I can see it now. Gay guy makes pass at 11B10 and gets a knuckle sandwich. We end up kicking the gay guy out for sexual harassment and we also have to kick out the 11B for assault. Multiply that by thousands. Yeah, lets hear it for how much more effective the repeal of DADT has made our military.....
Yes, because all Gay people are raging nymphomaniacs. Don't be a fool, homosexuals can practise restraint, much more so then heterosexuals, due to the fact that they infact, have to keep their sexuality, and sex hidden, or not acting on their feelings.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
I said nothing in regards to them being nymphomaniacs, but you are being foolish if you think what I describe wont happen. It alreayd does to a small degree, and if DADT is repealed, it will grow by a magnatude.
In fact, I COUNT on homosexual acting pretty much the same as heterosexuals in this particular case. The military already has a big problem with sexual harassment/assualt, and we spend a huge amount of time dealing with it. Once DADT is repealed, we expect homosexuals to act like everyone else does, that means good and bad. But the issue is going to be excerbated by the change, and a lot of agressive combat arms types arent going to be appreciative of being asked out for a date by another guy.
And useless, you are also wrong about them having to keep things hidden. What they do in their private lives is their business...thats the essence of DADT. If you think gays in the military cant currently act on their feelings your understanding of how DADT works is very flawed.
Mr. Dictator
A Chain-Smoking Fox
why not focus on stopping those soldiers from punching a guy for making a pass at them? i understand some need to prove their masculinity, but they should just think of it as an ugly girl hitting on them. no way they would act on it, but still a compliment.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Oh, I am sure such focus will be attempted, but since a transition will take years if not a decade or more to truly incorporate.
Btw, we have soldiers who punch ugly girls for that too on occasion.
Well from what you've said it looks like a possible problem wouldn't be the repeal of DADT so much as a lack of discipline, self-control and tolerance amongst the services. The blame for that has gotta lie with poor training, not with the repeal of a discriminatory policy.
Or, there might be another solution to go along with a simple repeal, if that doesn't quite satisfy you. Simple make fraternisation with members of ones units against regulation. Unless you're going to use the 'gay people wouldn't be able to control themselves' argument, then I don't see why this wouldn't be effective.
Or, there might be another solution to go along with a simple repeal, if that doesn't quite satisfy you. Simple make fraternisation with members of ones units against regulation. Unless you're going to use the 'gay people wouldn't be able to control themselves' argument, then I don't see why this wouldn't be effective.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Its not poor training, but simply the environment we have been working/training under for decades. Its not going to be easily broken....if at all.
Why shouldnt people of equal or close ranks be allowed to date? Current rules allow for it, within certain limits. Not sure why people think that would have to be changed if DADT is repealed....
BasketCase
Username sez it all
I think gay = abnormal.
Why did I say that just now? Completely out-of-context and off-topic? Your reaction is the answer. Most of you dislike the fact that I typed the above. You don't like me going around saying "gay is abnormal" to everybody. And there's the figurative rub. If gays get to serve openly, so do homophobes. Would you like me to wear my opinion on my sleeve, or keep my trap shut?
Don't ask, don't tell.
Why did I say that just now? Completely out-of-context and off-topic? Your reaction is the answer. Most of you dislike the fact that I typed the above. You don't like me going around saying "gay is abnormal" to everybody. And there's the figurative rub. If gays get to serve openly, so do homophobes. Would you like me to wear my opinion on my sleeve, or keep my trap shut?
Don't ask, don't tell.
Dude, being gay and being homophobic are not in any way comparable.
The example's already been used in the thread, but it's a good one. Don't you mean like the environment of white only members of the armed forces that was not easily broken by the introduction of black people?
In that case, what would be wrong with such fraternisation apart from the macho macho men who can't control themselves when somebody does something they don't like?
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