Obama to call for repeal of DADT in State of the Union

[Formaldehyde]

I don't understand this statement. I assumed you read the articles, which said he had no choice but to reveal his homosexuality. It was that or be brought up on rape charges.

I don't understand it either.

Specific cases like that are one very good reason why I support repealing DADT.

And it is apparently why Obama is working so hard right now to at least get 3rd party outings dismissed outright. While Obama personally can't end DADT, he can try to keep true heroes and patriots such as this from being drummed out of the military, and in this case with only 2 years to go until full retirement. What is particularly ironic in this case is that none of the people he served with even knew about the incident, or that he was even gay, until after the military kicked him out. He was the embodyment of DADT.

 

[Gustave5436]

If they are not condusive to military service? Absolutely.

But the main reason is that its not generally considered a wise thing to rock the boat while negotiating rapids.

Homosexuality was removed from the DSM in the 70s; considering that the military's initial justification for banning it has been gone for decades, I question the accuracy of describing an end to discrimination against non-heterosexuals as "rocking the boat."

 

[MobBoss]

So if it's conceded to be a 14-15 year endeaver, I think we have established a slow tempo.

Thats not what operational tempo refers to.

And again, I will point out that you are wanting to kick volunteers out of the military for a silly reason at a time you are expecting us to need as any good soldiers as we can get to keep up a high operational tempo (in your mind) and surge of a decade and a half or so.

I disagree that it is a silly reason, and the fact that people have been abused and beaten because of it pretty much indicates its not a 'silly' reason at all. DADT may not be perfect, and some may not like it very much, but it does work, and has worked.

I don't understand this statement. I assumed you read the articles, which said he had no choice but to reveal his homosexuality. It was that or be brought up on rape charges.

My point was DADT isnt exactly a secret and has been in place for a fairly long time now. Any homosexual that joins does so fully knowing what DADT is and means. Knowing that, I really have to say that a homosexual joining the military isnt exactly making a smart choice. In fact, its pretty darn stupid in my opinion.

 

[PiMan]

I disagree that it is a silly reason, and the fact that people have been abused and beaten because of it pretty much indicates its not a 'silly' reason at all. DADT may not be perfect, and some may not like it very much, but it does work, and has worked.

People get beaten up for being black too. You kick out people conducting the abuse, not the victim.

 

[JollyRoger]

I disagree that it is a silly reason, and the fact that people have been abused and beaten because of it pretty much indicates its not a 'silly' reason at all.

Toss the abusers, not the abused.

joining the military isnt exactly making a smart choice. In fact, its pretty darn stupid in my opinion.

Serving one's country is stupid?

 

[sophie]

My point was DADT isnt exactly a secret and has been in place for a fairly long time now. Any homosexual that joins does so fully knowing what DADT is and means. Knowing that, I really have to say that a homosexual joining the military isnt exactly making a smart choice. In fact, its pretty darn stupid in my opinion.

Gee, certainly can't beat that logic .

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I really have to say that joining the military isnt exactly making a smart choice. In fact, its pretty darn stupid in my opinion.

I agree.

 

[holy king]

wholeheartedly.

 

[MobBoss]

I agree.

wholeheartedly.

Although I didnt expect it, I am glad you both agree to my point that its silly for homosexuals to join the military in light of DADT.

Its little moments of solidarity like this that make posting here worthwhile. Thanks!

 

[holy king]

actually it would be stupid for homosexuals to join the military even if they could be openly homosexual and wear pink helmets and whatnot.

it's silly to join the military.

 

[MobBoss]

actually it would be stupid for homosexuals to join the military even if they could be openly homosexual and wear pink helmets and whatnot.

it's silly to join the military.

No, its not. Get a salary, technical training, 30 days vacation a year, and incentives to get bonuses or pay off student loans. And if you stick with it you get to retire as early as 38 years old and get paid that retirement pay as soon as you retire, not at age 62.

Its not a bad choice at all. It may not be the right choice for some, but I can definitely think of worse things to do with ones life.

 

[JollyRoger]

No, its not. Get a salary, technical training, 30 days vacation a year, and incentives to get bonuses or pay off student loans. And if you stick with it you get to retire as early as 38 years old and get paid that retirement pay as soon as you retire, not at age 62.

Its not a bad choice at all. It may not be the right choice for some, but I can definitely think of worse things to do with ones life.

It's like being French without having to live in France.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

No, its not. Get a salary, technical training, 30 days vacation a year, and incentives to get bonuses or pay off student loans. And if you stick with it you get to retire as early as 38 years old and get paid that retirement pay as soon as you retire, not at age 62.

But for the love of Zod, don't let the Homos think this is a good idea. They're being stupid.

I get a mental image of Darth Vader poring water in the ocean for some reason.

 

[MobBoss]

It's like being French without having to live in France.

This from the guy whos long term plan is to never pay back his student loans.

 

[MobBoss]

But for the love of Zod, don't let the Homos think this is a good idea. They're being stupid.

In light of DADT.

Really, ziggy....would you knowingly join a volunteer organization that you already knew was heavily biased against your accepted behavior?

 

[JollyRoger]

This from the guy whos long term plan is to never pay back his student loans.

I'm complying with the demands being made by the current holders of the debt. Didn't even have to risk my life to get such a good deal.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

In light of DADT.

So join the civilised world and repeal it.

Really, ziggy....would you knowingly join a volunteer organization that you already knew was heavily biased against your accepted behavior?

Considering:

Get a salary, technical training, 30 days vacation a year, and incentives to get bonuses or pay off student loans. And if you stick with it you get to retire as early as 38 years old and get paid that retirement pay as soon as you retire, not at age 62.

There's your incentive.

And the silly notion that even, yes this might shock you, even homosexuals might love their country and feel honour in helping defending it. I know, some people have the strangest ideas, but trust me, there are those people who think along these lines. I might have heard one or two heterosexuals think so too. It's almost as if they are the same

 

[holy king]

Get a salary, technical training, 30 days vacation a year, and incentives to get bonuses or pay off student loans. And if you stick with it you get to retire as early as 38 years old and get paid that retirement pay as soon as you retire, not at age 62.

i can have that without the getting hacked to pieces part.

well, except for the retirement...

 

[JollyRoger]

would you knowingly join a volunteer organization that you already knew was heavily biased against your accepted behavior?

A young patriot wanting to serve his country might be willing to overlook the military's flaws in order to serve. But you might be onto something regarding excessive patriotism being stupid.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

It's like being French without having to live in France.

Kind of reminds me of your signature's point, too.