Obama vs. Christians

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Updated | 6:02 p.m. Apparently sensing an opportunity to tarnish President Obama’s standing with listeners who were unaware of the suffering caused by the African rebels who call themselves the Lord’s Resistance Army, Rush Limbaugh responded to the president’s deployment of 100 military advisers to combat the group in central Africa on Friday in a segment of his radio show headlined, “Obama Invades Uganda, Targets Christians.”

Mr. Limbaugh began his discussion of the group — described by my colleagues Thom Shanker and Rick Gladstone as “a notorious renegade group that has terrorized villagers in at least four countries with marauding bands that kill, rape, maim and kidnap with impunity” — by explaining that the “Lord” referred to in their name is not someone named Lord, but “God.” He said:

Now, up until today, most Americans have never heard of the combat Lord’s Resistance Army. And here we are at war with them. Have you ever heard of Lord’s Resistance Army, Dawn? How about you, Brian? Snerdley, have you? You never heard of Lord’s Resistance Army? Well, proves my contention, most Americans have never heard of it, and here we are at war with them. Lord’s Resistance Army are Christians. It means God.

Overlooking the detailed record of their brutality and bizarre practices, Mr. Limbaugh then added: “They are fighting the Muslims in Sudan. And Obama has sent troops, United States troops, to remove them from the battlefield, which means kill them. So that’s a new war, a hundred troops to wipe out Christians in Sudan, Uganda.”

After suggesting that Mr. Obama “supported” violence against Coptic Christians by Muslims in Egypt, Mr. Limbaugh then read aloud what he called the “Lord’s Resistance Army objectives.”

I have them here. “To remove dictatorship and stop the oppression of our people.” Now, again Lord’s Resistance Army is who Obama sent troops to help nations wipe out. The objectives of the Lord’s Resistance Army, what they’re trying to accomplish with their military action in these countries is the following: “To remove dictatorship and stop the oppression of our people; to fight for the immediate restoration of the competitive multiparty democracy in Uganda; to see an end to gross violation of human rights and dignity of Ugandans; to ensure the restoration of peace and security in Uganda, to ensure unity, sovereignty and economic prosperity beneficial to all Ugandans, and to bring to an end the repressive policy of deliberate marginalization of groups of people who may not agree with the L.R.A. ideology.” Those are the objectives of the group that we are fighting.

The conservative host, who has previously demonstrated a fondness for sharing information found on Wikipedia with listeners, even when it is incorrect or misleading, appears to have taken this list of objectives from a defense of the Lord’s Resistance Army delivered by one of its leaders 14 years ago, which is featured in the online encyclopedia’s entry on the group’s ideology.

Mr. Limbaugh did not mention that the speech defending the rebel group was made in 1997 at a peace conference, organized by members of the ethnic group the Lord’s Resistance Army claims to represent, who characterized the conflict in northern Uganda this way: “The L.R.A. has abducted thousands of people, mainly children, tortured and murdered; and looted and destroyed property. The government army has not been able to provide adequate protection to the civilian population.”

According to the transcipt on his Web site, near the end of Friday’s radio segment, Mr. Limbaugh said: “Is that right? The Lord’s Resistance Army is being accused of really bad stuff? Child kidnapping, torture, murder, that kind of stuff? Well, we just found out about this today. We’re gonna do, of course, our due diligence research on it. But nevertheless we got a hundred troops being sent over there to fight these guys — and they claim to be Christians.”

As Reuters reports, Joseph Kony, the leader of the Lord’s Resistance Army, initially attracted supporters in northern Uganda’s Acholiland in the late 1980s “with a creed based on a mix of mysticism and apocalyptic Christianity. Over the years the L.R.A. become known for chilling violence including what human rights groups say were the abductions of thousands for use as child soldiers or sex slaves, brutal club and machete attacks on victims.”

Last year, my colleague C.J. Chivers reported, in a post on Mr. Kony’s unorthodox belief system, that the Lord’s Resistance Army leader was initially part of “a failed rebel movement led by Alice Lakwena, who said she was possessed by a troupe of spirits who urged her to war, Mr. Kony has presented himself over the years as the channel through which these lingering voices communicate from the beyond.”

A document obtained by Mr. Chivers from a former senior commander of the rebel group described in detail how Mr. Kony would initiate “possession episodes” and speak to his followers in the voices of spirits named Malia, Who Are You and Chairman Juma Oris.

Kony’s secretary… would make the preparations, and Kony would dress in a white robe. A glass of water, a bible, and a rosary were placed on a table. To start the possession Kony would dip his fingers into a clear glass of water. Multiple spirits would pass through Kony in a single session. On average at least three spirits would talk in a session….

When Kony dipped his finger in glass of water he slumped forward for a few seconds, then sat up. Each spirit had a separate personality. His voice changed to a woman’s tone of voice when possessed by Malia. Some spirits spoke faster than others. Who Are You was rude – quarreling – and he complained a lot. Chairman Juma Oris talked slow and calm with a flat tone like an “important person.”

In response to Mr. Limbaugh’s defense of the Lord’s Resistance Army, Matthew Yglesias, who blogs for the liberal Think Progress site, quoted from a Human Rights Watch report detailing a brutal attack by the group. Mr. Yglesias argued: “I think reasonable people can disagree as to whether or not chasing a relatively small band of depraved mass murderers around Central Africa is a reasonable thing for American military personnel to be doing. But let’s make no mistake — these are depraved mass murderers.”

From the opposite end of the political spectrum, Erick Erickson the editor-in-chief of the conservative Web site RedState.com wrote on Sunday night: “In the past 72 hours, I have gotten lots of e-mails from lots of people who should know better asking me if I’ve heard about Barack Obama sending American troops to Africa to go after the Lord’s Resistance Army. The people hearing the name assume it is a Christian group fighting radical Islamists in the Sudan or some such. It is no such thing.”

Mr. Erickson added: “The group has notoriously gone through Uganda capturing children and turning them into soldiers and, when not successful, murdering them. The group engages in sex trafficking, slavery, murder, mutilation, and the list goes on and on.”

Obviously Obama needs to stop his unwarranted aggression against Christian groups fighting Muslims.
 
So long as they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord & Savior, they are Christians and we should not judge what the Lord is calling them to do, but rather help them in fulfilling the Lord's work.
 
Wait, so it's okay to categorize the Lord's Resistance Army as Christians now? The next debate about the impact of Christianity on the world is going to be fun...

According to Rush, they're a Christian group. Who am I to argue with the voice of America?
 
Oh hahahahahahaha I have wildly underestimated Mr Limbaugh's level of ignorance!
 
Oh hahahahahahaha I have wildly underestimated Mr Limbaugh's level of ignorance!

Is it really ignorance that's the problem here? I'm familiar with the LRA and have been for years, but I wouldn't make fun of someone who wasn't. Limbaugh did state that he was aware of the charges against the LRA, and that he was going to do his "due dilligence research" on the subject.

The problem is that either he didn't just google the LRA, which would have taken maybe five minutes if he wanted to be really thorough about it, or he wasn't willing to believe anything he read about the Lord's Resistance Army until it came from a conservative news source, which would imply that he has no intellectual contact with anyone outside the conservative bubble.

The former is easily mocked, the later is scary.
 
The former is easily mocked, the later is scary.

In all honesty, if the later is true (and I willing to put my money on it), coming from Rush Limbaugh, how is it at all surprising he will react this way?
 
Oh, Mr Limbaugh does his 'research' on Wikipedia ?
Well, I just did three minutes of my own 'research' on wikipedia.

The group is based on apocalyptic Protestant Christianity, but also is influenced by a blend of mysticism and traditional religion, and claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and local Acholi tradition.
The LRA is accused of widespread human rights violations, including murder, abduction, mutilation, sexual enslavement of women and children and forcing children to participate in hostilities.
The LRA used to operate mainly in northern Uganda and also in parts of South Sudan, Central African Republic and DR Congo. The LRA is currently proscribed as a terrorist organization by the United States.

The article even has has a section titled 'massacres'.
Pre-2008

This list is not complete.

In January, 1997 the LRA attacked Lamwo, in northern Uganda. More than 400 people were killed, and approximately 100,000 people were displaced.

In May, 2002 the LRA attacked Eastern Equatoria in Sudan. An estimated 450 people were killed, and witnesses state some villagers were forced to walk off a cliff.
[edit] 2008
Main article: 2008 Christmas massacres (Congo)

On December 25, 2008, the LRA massacred 189 people and abducted 120 children during a concert celebration sponsored by the Catholic church in Faradje, Democratic Republic of the Congo, continuing the attack on December 26. Shortly afterwards, the LRA struck three additional communities: 75 people killed in a church north of Dungu, and the church burned; 48 people killed in Bangadi, and 213 people in Gurba. The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs estimated the death toll as 189 in Faradje, Doruma and Gurba. However, Caritas International estimated the number of victims to be about 500.

On December 28, 2008, the Ugandan army published details of the Doruma attack, accusing LRA rebels of hacking to death 45 people in a church there. An aid official speaking to AFP on condition of anonymity confirmed the December 26 massacre, saying the killings took place in a Catholic church in the Doruma area, around 40 kilometres (25 miles) from the Sudanese border. "There are body parts everywhere. Inside the church, the entrance and in the church compound," the aid official said. "We got information the rebels cut 45 people into pieces," added army spokesman Captain Chris Magezi.

Secretary-General of the United Nations Ban Ki-moon stated that he "condemns in the strongest possible terms the appalling atrocities reportedly committed by the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) in recent days". Caritas International said that it was "shocked by its staff reports" of the massacres.

But hey, they're Christians. :rolleyes:
They can maim, kill, loot and rape as much as they like and it's all cool if they repent at some unspecified point in the future. That's the whole point of Christianity isn't it ?
 
Sorry for the doublepost, but I just now remembered to check a credible source without what Rush may call 'liberal bias'.
Here's the Conservapedia articel on the LRA:
Lord's Resistance Army

The Lord's Resistance Army is a central African militant force feared for their mysticism, brutality, murder, mayhem and other human rights violations. [1] The U.S. State Department has classified them as a terrorist group. They are primarily located in northern Uganda and southern Sudan.

Rebel leader Joseph Kony of The Lord's Resistance Army is a wanted man. In October 2011, Barack Hussein Obama sent 100 special forces troops to Uganda to serve as advisers in efforts to hunt down the rebel leader. [2] The Obama Administration stated that the decision is in the interest of national security to secure peace in the region by eliminated the LRA.
References

1. ↑ The End of Uganda's Mystic Rebel?
2. ↑ Obama Sends U.S. Troops to Central Africa to Aid Campaign Against Rebel Group

Yes, that's the whole article.
Doesn't paint a pretty picture either.
 
Here is the list he so simply copied from wikipedia:
To fight for the immediate restoration of competitive multi-party democracy in Uganda.
To see an end to gross violation of human rights and dignity of Ugandans.
To ensure the restoration of peace and security in Uganda.
To ensure unity, sovereignty and economic prosperity beneficial to all Ugandans
To bring to an end to the repressive policy of deliberate marginalization of groups of people who may not agree with the LRA ideology.
How bleeping dumb is he? Taking the objectives from the LRA themselves? Anyone with a brain would know it's a bunch of crap.
 
Oh, Mr Limbaugh does his 'research' on Wikipedia ?
Well, I just did three minutes of my own 'research' on wikipedia.

The article even has has a section titled 'massacres'.

But hey, they're Christians. :rolleyes:
They can maim, kill, loot and rape as much as they like and it's all cool if they repent at some unspecified point in the future. That's the whole point of Christianity isn't it ?
The good thing about doing research on Wikipedia is that you can dismiss everything that doesn't fit your ideology by claiming Wiki's unreputable status as a source :goodjob:
 
Oh dear... What is happening America?
 
Hardly anyone in Uganda is even sympathetic to this group. Museveni, a hard-core Fundamentalist, despises them. They shouldn't be called Christian, as they blend Christian beliefs with Tribal Traditions. Call the Crusades Christian (even though they weren't), call the Inquisition, and witch trials "Christian", but this group is something else entirely, more of a cult if you ask me.
 
Call the Crusades Christian (even though they weren't),
God I love apologism and revisionism.

Regardless, if they are Christian enough for Rushbo, that's good enough for me.
 
Why is it that when Christians commit bad things, they're dismissed as being "Not really Christian", yet the 9/11 hijackers are apparently the face of Islam?
 
Why is it that when Christians commit bad things, they're dismissed as being "Not really Christian", yet the 9/11 hijackers are apparently the face of Islam?

did I ever say that? I don't think of Muslims as violent, and I recognize that the Radicals make up a tiny minority. If you've ever read my posts on the subject of Islam, you'd see that even though I disagree with Muslims, I have respect for them. I often post about World Religion classes, as I think that People need to be educated on the fact that most Muslims don't want to blow themselves up.
 
Did I say that you said that? No. But it's undeniable that that is how some people view Muslims.
 
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