Off Topic reorganization - Call for Comments

[CavLancer]

@CavLancer: yes we have seen this and this was part of the initial reasons to split the two - though the effect was not unequivocally positive for the "serious" threads in the chamber.

Thank you ori. :b:

Yes, its a pickle. Divide the serious threads off and they don't get the exposure though they last a really long time. Mix them in and they get tons of exposure for a day or two or even a few days after which they disappear.

I had the same idea when spam was over the top at WPC, split the OT. While spam isn't as bad here as it was there for a while as moderators are allowed to moderate and they're not the ones spamming, we were losing posters who didn't appreciate getting their threads buried. The forum #s were up because the spammers were running wild at the same time the # of posters fell. That's what happened at Poly when they turned the trolls loose. Lost a lot of folks, myself included. While that's not proposed here, spam is controlled, red diamonds will still drop as was the original problem because of limited interest in serious topics. There is no limit to people BSing and having a good time which is mostly what you have now. That's going to cause some problems and people wanting to talk seriously about something will find their red diamond buried by non red diamond threads, guaranteed.

So, you will be faced with what you had before, a need to tighten down on those who are having a good time, and who wants that? You end up being pressured into over the top moderation.

Better what you got, imo. Try some sort of serious discussion incentive. Maybe mix in History and make a History/Serious discussion forum. They seem to fit better than mixing back in the Tavern. I've been in plenty of taverns, serious discussion happens elsewhere.

Here's an idea that might work: Right now in order to get to the Tavern people have to go though "The Colosseum" which sounds great but is really nothing. So, make them go through the Chamber to get to the Tavern. Is that even possible?

 

[Defiant47]

If you look at the number of replies in this thread and compare it to general trafic of OT Tavern, you will see most people don't seem to be bothered to enter this thread. most don't really care about the state of OT and it seems to be just a vocal minority that are wanting re-unification of the OTs.

In a forum, the vocal minority is the majority. The forum mainly exists for those who are vocal.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Here's an idea that might work: Right now in order to get to the Tavern people have to go though "The Colosseum" which sounds great but is really nothing. So, make them go through the Chamber to get to the Tavern. Is that even possible?

You are essentially asking for the Tavern to be a subforum of a subforum. It's technically possible, but I think there would be a lot of complaints from people who would have trouble finding it.

 

[sophie]

Again the assumption that splitting forums creates in impassable wall through which spammers/trolls cannot enter is an erroneous one. It takes nothing more than the click of a mouse to move to the other forum. It don't buy it as a valid argument. If people want good threads, they need to, as mise said, make good posts and not get caught up in snipey back-and-forth with obvious trolls. That's what kills threads.

 

[CavLancer]

You are essentially asking for the Tavern to be a subforum of a subforum. It's technically possible, but I think there would be a lot of complaints from people who would have trouble finding it.

Its not a good solution either. Any ideas Valka? I guess getting ideas is what they want here.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Merge as follows?
Forum 1: Chamber, Science, WH, DYOS
Forum 2: Tavern, A&E

 

[JollyRoger]

Forum 3: Basement

 

[choxorn]

Merge as follows?
Forum 1: Chamber, Science, WH, DYOS
Forum 2: Tavern, A&E

If nothing else, we DYOS people want to be in the same place as A&E.

 

[GenMarshall]

Merge as follows?
Forum 1: Chamber, Science, WH, DYOS
Forum 2: Tavern, A&E

No merger of A&E anywhere in OT. I'm fine with the Tavern and the Chamber remerging back to one OT.

 

[JollyRoger]

Forum 3: BaSeMENT

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Merge as follows?
Forum 1: Chamber, Science, WH, DYOS
Forum 2: Tavern, A&E

As I recall, the major reason I asked that DYOS be moved to Arts & Entertainment is that STORYTELLING, DRAWING, COLORING, AND PAINTING ARE ALL FORMS OF ART.

DYOS is a creative activity. It belongs in with other discussions of artistic things.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Merge as follows?
Forum 1: Chamber, Science, WH, DYOS
Forum 2: Tavern, A&E

NES + DYOS

Forum 3: Basement

Yeah, but I don't know how to keeps the kids outside without asking for a CC.

No merger of A&E anywhere in OT. I'm fine with the Tavern and the Chamber remerging back to one OT.

A&E is too weak to stand alone anymore. Dump it back into the Tavern and then you can vote your favorite threads to the top by posting.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

A&E is too weak to stand alone anymore. Dump it back into the Tavern and then you can vote your favorite threads to the top by posting.

Nice to see what you think of a forum you yourself supported, once upon a time.

A&E is not something to be "dumped" anywhere. It's not garbage.

 

[JollyRoger]

Yeah, but I don't know how to keeps the kids outside without asking for a CC

Got one with enough room on it to cover my age-eligible targetsposting buddies.

 

[choxorn]

NES + DYOS

Now you're clearly just trolling us.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Got one with enough room on it to cover my age-eligible targetsposting buddies.

Buying beer and cigarettes for those under 18 is inappropriate, but your generosity has not gone unnoticed.

Now you're clearly just trolling us.

Story telling is storytelling, and yes, my NES suggestion was only half serious or even a bit less than half.

 

[GenMarshall]

NES + DYOS

DYOS is not in the same category as NES and IOT. In the past, someone made a spin-off called DYONES and it was not recived warmly by the NES community.

A&E is too weak to stand alone anymore. Dump it back into the Tavern and then you can vote your favorite threads to the top by posting.

In essence, and I believe my fellow DYOS contributors would feel the same, is that we're tired of being tossed around from thread to thread and having our previous threads get deleted as in the case that happened when it was in other games forum. A&E and its contents aren't garbage to be tossed around willy nilly.

 

[JollyRoger]

If I can't buy a subforum, I might be willing to pay per post as marked like this one to get a less harsh standard of moderation. Of course I realize the price would be higher for such a post in a Red Diamond thread.

 

[Birdjaguar]

DYOS is not in the same category as NES and IOT. In the past, someone made a spin-off called DYONES and it was not recived warmly by the NES community.


In essence, and I believe my fellow DYOS contributors would feel the same, is that we're tired of being tossed around from thread to thread and having our previous threads get deleted as in the case that happened when it was in other games forum. A&E and its contents aren't garbage to be tossed around willy nilly.

My original idea was to sticky DYOS in OT. Your inference of "garbage" from my use of "dumping" reflects your thinking and not mine. "Dumping" is a fine word that is used frequently in many contexts not associated with refuse. Please don't try to spin my post into something it was not. As far as I can tell you are the first to associate A&E with garbage. Oops, perhaps not. Sorry.

 

[Birdjaguar]

If I can't buy a subforum, I might be willing to pay per post as marked like this one to get a less harsh standard of moderation. Of course I realize the price would be higher for such a post in a Red Diamond thread.

Quite a number of years ago, I jokingly implied that Thunderfall/CFC was going to charge members to post at the penny level. Maybe that time has come with a Basement forum where posts cost a penny or two with few rules. Banned words might cost two bits. Do any such pay as you post forums exist?