OK, so we found WMDs

[MobBoss]

We found many of these "WMD's" three months after we invaded. They aren't WMD programs, and they certainly were no threat to the US. I have said time and time again, we found 38 old spent shells, so now the number is 500. Big deal. Saddam still had no WMD program in Iraq

Actually Neomega..."spent" means fired. Those shells were not fired nor spent. They were intact. Lets do try to be accurate here.

So we found 38 shells early...and now we are up to over 500. 500 chemical weapon WMDs is not a small number. Not at all. If we have found 500 in this time, lord knows how many we have missed in a country as large as Iraq.

And you still havent explained why the UN weapons inspectors never found a clue of WMD in all their inspections.

So, the inspectors never found a program. They never found these shells either. Who knows what we will continue to find?

 

[Arcades057]

1. Got any evidence to support that Saddam was all knowing... espoecially after his bearacracy and military was blown to bit in 1991?

2. Hitler =/= Saddam Please keep Hitler out of any discussions unless the discussion is Hitler. Because George Bush is actually Hitler, and he knows everything, so he is responsible for Haditha and the Abu Gharaib tortures.

I'm sorry, I don't have time to go searching around for things that every person with half a brain already knows, no offense intended. If you don't believe it, hell, you don't believe that we found WMDs, what's the point of arguing?

If GWBush were Hitler there'd be a lot less people like you roaming these boards. You'd all be in camps. BE very thankful that your youthful ignorance is not truly the way things are. And I will bring up Hitler and Stalin whenever I feel that they are pertinent to the topic, as I believe them now to be. Saddam was a tyrant, as was Hitler, as was Stalin. Yes, we supported Saddam against Iran; so too did we support Stalin against Germany, much for the same reason. If you cannot grasp that then I cannot help you to.

 

[pboily]

This is o so a mighty point. It will be burnt down with angry replies. <3

what's with the play-by-play, Costas?

 

[Red Door]

Costas? What do I have to do with this?

 

[Marla_Singer]

Basketcase, don't start on this please, cause we're reaching the level of elementary school now.

I won't ask to today's Americans to devote their life to France simply because our Monarch sent few battalions in New England in the 1770's. That's not what independence means. What had given to the US their great reputation worldwide after ww2 was actually to give back independence to the countries they've liberated. Independence doesn't mean eternal devotion, so don't complain about European countries independence today cause in doing so you're destroying the most beautiful achievement in the US History.

 

[Tulkas12]

It happened, but follow-up intel also indicated that they remained hostile to one another. So what is your point?



No, that is not the point. The war wasn't sold to congress and the american public as a trial or punishment for Saddam. The war was sold as neccesary to forestall an almost-imminent threat to national security, which we know now was clearly not the case. Bush lied.

We are not talking about whatever responsibility the Bush administration has towards Iraq as an arbiter for Saddam's crimes. We are talking about Bush's responsibility to the American people for going to war on the premises he claimed to have.

Point is that lower officials were visiting irrelevant or not they were taking place so the intel was correct in that sense.

It was the point of the article not the point of the war cause. I never stated as much, I've gone out of may way to make sure I don;t say as much, so please don;t put words in my mouth.

 

[MobBoss]

Just go look up the Iran-Iraq War.

Still waiting for an answer on this. And please note I havent quoted a single bible passage yet.

Am I holding my own yet?

 

[Tulkas12]

Basketcase, don't start on this please, cause we're reaching the level of elementary school now.

I won't ask to today's Americans to devote their life to France simply because our Monarch sent few battalions in New England in the 1770's. That's not what independence means. What had given to the US their great reputation worldwide after ww2 was actually to give back independence to the countries they've liberated. Independence doesn't mean eternal devotion, so don't complain about European countries independence today cause in doing so you're destroying the most beautiful achievement in the US History.

We aren;t taking away Iraq's soveriegnty. This is a flawed and very popular point of veiw.

 

[Neomega]

I'm sorry, I don't have time to go searching around for things that every person with half a brain already knows, no offense intended. If you don't believe it, hell, you don't believe that we found WMDs, what's the point of arguing?

I already said, many times in the past, that old dilapidated shells were found. It's a red Herring. That is not what we were sold the war on.

If GWBush were Hitler there'd be a lot less people like you roaming these boards. You'd all be in camps. BE very thankful that your youthful ignorance is not truly the way things are.

I was only showing how illogical it is to mention the name of a man who killed 6 million people systematically and started a war that cost the lives of hundreds of millions, to the situation between the US and Iraq. Obviously you missed that, and think by invoking the name of the evil Hitler against those you disagree with, you can somehow win an argument. It's crap, and it's disrespectful to those who fought against Hitler, and the millions who were slaughtered buy him.

And I will bring up Hitler and Stalin whenever I feel that they are pertinent to the topic, as I believe them now to be. Saddam was a tyrant, as was Hitler, as was Stalin. Yes, we supported Saddam against Iran; so too did we support Stalin against Germany, much for the same reason. If you cannot grasp that then I cannot help you to.

Dude, nobody wants to argue whether Saddam is Hitler, or George Bush is Hitler. It's a stupid argument, because neither of them come close to Hitler.

Hitler Hitler Jew Jew Nazi Nazi Heil Heil

 

[Marla_Singer]

I'm sorry, I don't have time to go searching around for things that every person with half a brain already knows, no offense intended. If you don't believe it, hell, you don't believe that we found WMDs, what's the point of arguing?

If GWBush were Hitler there'd be a lot less people like you roaming these boards. You'd all be in camps. BE very thankful that your youthful ignorance is not truly the way things are. And I will bring up Hitler and Stalin whenever I feel that they are pertinent to the topic, as I believe them now to be. Saddam was a tyrant, as was Hitler, as was Stalin. Yes, we supported Saddam against Iran; so too did we support Stalin against Germany, much for the same reason. If you cannot grasp that then I cannot help you to.

Alright then. Let's pretend Colombia is developping the nuclear weapon. If we turn out wrong we can always justify the invasion in saying we've found illegal coca crops in the Colombian countryside...

 

[nihilistic]

Nazi Germany (look out, Godwin incoming ) was never a threat to U.S. security either.

On the contrary. Nazy Germany was a huge threat to US security. It invaded and occupied many of our allies and have every intention of bringing the fight to the US eventually. He had both the will and the power to hurt us if left alone for long enough.

Saddam however, has been contained quite well before the war. Completely different scenario.

 

[Tulkas12]

what's with the play-by-play, Costas?

Hey I like Bob, leave him out of thi, just chiming in, my bad forum man.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Nazi Germany (look out, Godwin incoming ) was never a threat to U.S. security either. They sunk a bunch of ships and killed a few hundred Americans. Do you really think that justified bombing Germany into the Middle Ages and slaughtering millions of German citizens? Many of them civilians?

Yet Western Europe didn't have a problem with the U.S. getting involved. Indeed, they DEMANDED that we get involved, and they were screaming and yelling at us to get involved before the torpedoes ever started hitting American ships.

Clearly, Europe didn't have a problem with America throwing its military at people when it suited European interests for America to do so.

You obviously know zip about history, and have no kind of imagination about what would happen if Nazi Germany had won out against Britain and the USSR. I'm not going to get into it, because this is OT and not World History, but this conclusion is just plain wrong,- you know what: NEW THREAD TIME! in world history. i think you ought to start it though, since youre the one making the acusations about our business in WWII

 

[Red Door]

Oh, now I see. It wasn't me, it was Bob Costas.

 

[Marla_Singer]

We aren;t taking away Iraq's soveriegnty. This is a flawed and very popular point of veiw.

I haven't mentioned Iraq in my post Tulkas. I was answering to Basketcase's assumption about European countries being forbidden to disagree with the US as they've been freed by them 60 years ago.

 

[Arcades057]

On an off note, I've known people who've returned from Iraq and people who've served few weeks at the Baghdad airport. They've told me that we have indeed found WMDs in Iraq, including sites to make the weapons. It was on the news not too long ago that we found a place to make chemical weapons. These same people (actually one guy who worked at the airport) told me that prior to the invasion satelites were following a large convoy of trucks heading into Syria from Iraq.

Now if they were right about the chemical weapons, as they were, was he then correct about those trucks?

 

[sysyphus]

On the contrary. Nazy Germany was a huge threat to US security. It invaded and occupied many of our allies and have every intention of bringing the fight to the US eventually. He had both the will and the power to hurt us if left alone for long enough.

Very true. U-boats were seen in harbours in Canada, where Hitler planned to get his foothold in North America.

 

[Tulkas12]

I haven't mentioned Iraq in my post Tulkas. I was answering to Basketcase's assumption about European countries being forbidden to disagree with the US as they've been freed by them 60 years ago.

I didn't think that was what he was saying, I thought he was saying they are being hypocritical, I appreciate European criticism, its one of the main reasons I'm here, many visit here.

I may have interperted him wrong if so I apologize.

 

[sysyphus]

On an off note, I've known people who've returned from Iraq and people who've served few weeks at the Baghdad airport. They've told me that we have indeed found WMDs in Iraq, including sites to make the weapons. It was on the news not too long ago that we found a place to make chemical weapons. These same people (actually one guy who worked at the airport) told me that prior to the invasion satelites were following a large convoy of trucks heading into Syria from Iraq.

Now if they were right about the chemical weapons, as they were, was he then correct about those trucks?

A few people who heard rumours (which they only would have been seeing they weren't there long enough or travelled far enough to see for themselves) means very little.

 

[MobBoss]

I already said, many times in the past, that old dilapidated shells were found. It's a red Herring. That is not what we were sold the war on.

What if we found over a thousand gallons of chemicals used to make WMDs? Would that qualify as a "program" possibly. I just found this, but I dont remember it being all over the news: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300530.html

BAGHDAD, Aug. 13 -- U.S. troops raiding a warehouse in the northern city of Mosul uncovered a suspected chemical weapons factory containing 1,500 gallons of chemicals believed destined for attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces and civilians, military officials said Saturday.

Monday's early morning raid found 11 precursor agents, "some of them quite dangerous by themselves," a military spokesman, Lt. Col. Steven A. Boylan, said in Baghdad.

That more along the lines of what you are looking for?