O'Reilly Vs. Jon Stewart

[GrandAdmiral]

Stewart won and he did it with little effort. He made O'Reilly say some things that O'Reilly really didn't want to say with regards to the governement and he couldn't really backup his statements against the French.

 

[Masquerouge]

I don't understand your question.


And by the way, Americans do despise the French.

He he he that's exactly the fallacy I was pointing in your rant

By not nuancing your judgement, and saying "ALL Americans hate/despise the French", you are using the same rethorical tricks pulled by the "morons" in the US media prone to French bashing.

Americans do not despise the French. Some Americans may.

 

[Perfection]

The viewers!

 

[Irish Caesar]

Was it really an argument to be won? I saw it as O'Reilly playing straight-man to Stewart's joking around. In a good comedy sketch, the serious character is as important as the comic.

Y'all need to loosen up!

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Yes we do need to loosen up.

 

[Godwynn]

I found it hard to believe that Bill O'Reilly doesn't trust any politician.

And apparently stating a fact like we found no WMD is a lie.

What a pinhead.

 

[blackheart]

One of main Kerry's problem was that he looked too French, wasn't it ?

That's the first time I heard this. One of Kerry's main problems was he looked like a horse, or so my friend told him when he spoke to us in our auditorium .

 

[Marla_Singer]

He he he that's exactly the fallacy I was pointing in your rant

It is not a rant, it's a fact. In the US society, French people aren't well valued. And of course you may tell me that all Americans you've met told you nothing bad about France, but that is not relevant as in the US society, greeting foreigners is something important.

Of course I'm generalizing ! That's not the point. It's always the same when you speak about cultural phenomenon, that doesn't make them any less significant.

 

[Irish Caesar]

Personally, I thought that one of Kerry's main problems was that he never really did anything in the Senate to be known for. He's my Senator (not that I'd ever vote for him, but he apparently represents me in Congress), but the only Senator from Massachusetts that made a name for himself before 2004 was Ted Kennedy.

I believe that O'Reilly isn't one to trust politicians. But do I trust him when he says that?

 

[sysyphus]

Americans despise the French ? fine I've got it. Jay Leno may consider that comparing France with dirt would be an insult made on dirt. Thomas Friedman can consider we are the new ennemy. Bill O'reilly can boycott France. The only thing I learn from this is that American media are lead by morons.

Just remember Marla, when Americans bring up WWII, be sure to remind them who helped them through the American revolution. (And therefore went against Canada... so... really it's Canadians who should hate France... )

 

[sysyphus]

From the WMDs, to "Go after Lucy, not Marcy", to "we add insult to injury, you just add injury."

The problem with the Peanuts analogy is that he never really defines who Lucy is, a pretty lame tactic if you ask me. Still, I give the win to Stewart, but only barely, though he did have home ice advantage.

Interesting that O'Reilly is writing a book for kids, I guess he ran out of gullible adults.

 

[Masquerouge]

It is not a rant, it's a fact. In the US society, French people aren't well valued. And of course you may tell me that all Americans you've met told you nothing bad about France, but that is not relevant as in the US society, greeting foreigners is something important.

Frankly I've read quite a bunch of positive comments on France in the NYT, one by Paul Krugman comes to mind, and I think I am now past the "foreigner greeting" stage with my friends here.

Of course I'm generalizing ! That's not the point. It's always the same when you speak about cultural phenomenon, that doesn't make them any less significant.

Yet it is not true. A good deal of Americans have nothing against France, far from it.

 

[Marla_Singer]

Frankly I've read quite a bunch of positive comments on France in the NYT, one by Paul Krugman comes to mind, and I think I am now past the "foreigner greeting" stage with my friends here.

Yet it is not true. A good deal of Americans have nothing against France, far from it.

Alright then, it's all in my imagination. I believe you.

Actually, now I even wonder why we're talking about this in a thread such as this one.

 

[Elrohir]

Just to throw a wrench into things, I voted for every one. I am now a Conservative-Moderate-Liberal who thinks both O'Reilly and Stewart won! Let's hear it for schizophrenia!

No, seriously now, I didn't see it as a real debate. It seemed to me to be more friendly banter and jokes than anything; the Daily Show doesn't really debate, they just mess around. (Which is why it's so funny)

I couldn't call a winner, but it was as funny as heck.

 

[Perfection]

From what I've noticed, the Americans that do hate France, hate pretty much every other country too. So it's really not about France.

 

[Masquerouge]

Alright then, it's all in my imagination. I believe you.

Actually, now I even wonder why we're talking about this in a thread such as this one.

French love for arguments ?

 

[Marla_Singer]

Masquerouge. Anyway, let's eat some stuff together I'm hungry. We could talk about other stuff which are simply in my imagination together. What about going to Subway ? I've heard they had a new tasty sandwich. Hey ! Here's the ad !

 

[Elrohir]

Interesting that O'Reilly is writing a book for kids, I guess he ran out of gullible adults.

Considering it's selling at #5, I would say either A) He wrote a good book or B) Both adults and kids are gullible. Take your pic, based upon how cynical you are.

It is not a rant, it's a fact. In the US society, French people aren't well valued. And of course you may tell me that all Americans you've met told you nothing bad about France, but that is not relevant as in the US society, greeting foreigners is something important.

Of course I'm generalizing ! That's not the point. It's always the same when you speak about cultural phenomenon, that doesn't make them any less significant.

And as a long-time resident of the USA, you have personal knowledge of this.

All joking aside, it's practically America's pasttime to make fun of Europe (The UK usually escapes relatively unscathed as most people like them, even if in a slightly amused way) but France in particular does get a bad rap here. I haven't met anyone who really genuinely hates France, but people do make fun of France, even on TV, for example, the other day I was watching Law and Order, (Two cops were talking to the son of a murder victim) and their conversation went something like tihs:

Detective1: You don't seem very sad over your fathers death.
Son: Do either of you speak French?
Detective2: Yes, a little.
Son: Then you'll understand if I call my father a schmuck.

Little things like that happen often, and people laugh and joke, but as I said, it's more because we find it funny and France kinda annoys us than out of genuine animosity.

And you know there are a lot of American jokes going around in Europe. So it all works out even anyway.

 

[Masquerouge]

Masquerouge. Anyway, let's eat some stuff together I'm hungry. We could talk about other stuff which are simply in my imagination together. What about going to Subway ? I've heard they had a new tasty sandwich. Hey ! Here's the ad !

We shall call that "exhibit A".

I have been to Subway quite a few times and it's not there anymore. And anyway I think Quizno's better.
Maybe it was the Subway in Washington, D.C. ? You know, just like French Media got outraged because French Fries were renamed Freedom Fries, omitting to say it was for the Congress Cafeteria only ?

 

[wit>trope]

"Bill also showed he can't take a joke, and even started yelling at his host and calling him a "pinhead""

Bill calls people pinheads all the time, like people who send in email and other people. It's not about not taking a joke.

I love the French race and French language I don't like the more "exotic" French foods though ... do all Frenchmen eat that stuff (escargo, frogs)? ... if we take the best aspects of French language and the best aspects of Italian language, we'd have a masterpiece language ... Esperanto is ugly.