How many threads have you posted in the Chamber? Why should certain topics be forced to the Chamber in order to save it when some of those calling for that forced move can't be bothered to start threads in the Chamber?
OT Reorganization - Vote now.
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Can you make that into a campaign slogan?
By combining the "don't know/don't care" option, you are equating the undecided who care with the undecided who don't give a damn.
I've explained why I'm undecided. I guess I have to hold my nose and vote, and hope you remember WHY I've voted that way.
I'm used to holding my nose and voting in RL elections; I hadn't expected that CFC moderators would deliberately construct a poll that would force people to do this.
I'm pretty sure I did right after the split occurred.
For a while Quacker's had it in his sig, dunno if he still does. Let me see if I can dig it up.
EDIT: Here was the sig
Spoiler :
Only the last line is really relevant anymore. We got our post-count back for the Tavern early on, and the mods aren't acting counter to the community by proposing to end the War of Chamber Aggression.
EDIT2:
Just caught how much more catchy the new one is. Imma make a sig out of it.
Loppan Torkel
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I don't care either.. plus I want to be able to moan about the end result.
Graceheart the Leopard
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I seldom post in OT. I just have an idea that can help other people who do.
How is it helpful to cut off supply in a thriving market to serve a market that has yet to prove there is a demand to be met?
azzaman333
meh
So we get all the problems of the pre-Split OT again?
The best solution would be to give people an incentive to post in the Chamber. Virtually every single other forums I've seen limited the discussion of controversial topics like politics and religion into their own Chamber-equivalents, and they've been thriving. Why not do that for CFC? And I think we should also follow some of Kyriakos's suggestion and move other forums such as Science and Technology into the Chamber, as well.
The biggest pre-split problem was overzealous moderation. If moderation remains at Tavern standards, then the most significant pre-split problem won't exist this time round.
As I have no interest in posting in the Chamber, I voted yes. But ultimately, as long as the Tavern standard remains, I'm not all that fussed.
So we get all the problems of the pre-Split OT again?
The best solution would be to give people an incentive to post in the Chamber. Virtually every single other forums I've seen limited the discussion of controversial topics like politics and religion into their own Chamber-equivalents, and they've been thriving. Why not do that for CFC? And I think we should also follow some of Kyriakos's suggestion and move other forums such as Science and Technology into the Chamber, as well.
Hopefully, we are all wiser now and things will go along just fine. And you know what? We can always take another look in a year or so.
plastiqe
Grinch
Not sure if the Revolución was the original splitting of the forums or if it is the current push to bring them back together. Maybe instead it should be 'Viva la Consolidatión!'
Why don't you just reorganize where things are. Instead of Colosseum (which is a useless extra click) why not just have The Tavern and attach subforums to it. All Other Games is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
- Tavern
- Chamber
- World History
- Arts & Entertainment
- Sports Talk
- Science & Technology
- Humor & Jokes
- Computer Talk
- Other Civ-Related Sites
My point would be to have one main off topic section, The Tavern, that is the portal to all the other sections of Off Topic. Right now, if you want to get from Tavern to Chamber, you have to click on useless Colosseum (which doesn't do anything other than have a name). You could probably merge Sci Tech with Computers or A&E with Sports if you wanted less sections. Also there are three rules stickies in the Tavern; I'm a firm believer in the more stickies, the less likely they'll be read.
Hygro
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I'm ready for the re-merge. Part of me likes the split but I think there will be more energy over all if it's merged--ESPECIALLY if we merge back S&T and A&E. Losing S&T was the worst thing to happen to OT and the coliseum in general.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Yes ... please.
householder
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Isn't it customary to have a fourth voting choice, such as "I like puppies." Pretty sure I learned that in statistics class, but it was an 8 AM course and I wasn't always on top of things.
As for the Tavern vs Chamber brouhaha, I am not an OT regular, although I have left occasional comments there. The Tavern is much easier to find things to comment about. I am not sure if this because:
A. I am an intellectual lightweight
B. The Tavern is simply busier than the Chamber.
(hmmm...I guess the two don't preclude one another)
C. something else.
If the split between the forums is kept, is there a way to make the Chamber more appealing, or less intimidating, to visitors?
Kennigit
proud 2 boxer
USA USA USA!
also, my sig turns out surprisingly apt for once, considering it hasn't changed for many a year
(stretch from Cfcers to OTers but whatchagonnado)
plastiqe
Grinch
Colosseum is a "useless extra click" because the only thing it does is link to other sections; there are zero threads there. Sections like A&E have threads in them that you can read and reply to.
I've been following all the threads here and in the off topic section about this issue, and one of the main problems is lack of traffic in the less popular forums. There is a real division on CivFanatics (with the Colosseum) as people that might only check one forum never make their way over to the other areas because of how you get there/where they're located. One Extra Click may not seem like a big deal but in online communities it's a reality.
Example here that I'm very familiar with is the Civ IV General Discussion and the Civ IV Strategy and Tips. Very similar subjects in that if you like one section you'll probably like the other section, but because of the way the CivFanatics forums are divided, GD and S&T are like different communities. Some people only post in GD, some people only post in S&T and some people post in both.
The point of having one main portal for Off Topic would be that people *might* check out the other sections and there *might* be more traffic there. Whether it is worth having the other sections is a different conversation. Obviously it's a very subtle change and I can't guarantee that it would work, but it's worth trying before you start sticking Red Diamonds all over the place.
Which forum would be the gateway in such a setup, though? The Tavern and Chamber are nominally equal, as are all the other Colosseum subforums. One of the OTs would end up being the gateway, but unless we are to prefer one to the other (which would most likely be the Chamber due to site image considerations), there'd have to be a merger in any case.
The forum view would also be rather messy; see recent complaints about 'All Other Games' and the number of subforums you have to scroll past to get to threads.
The forum view would also be rather messy; see recent complaints about 'All Other Games' and the number of subforums you have to scroll past to get to threads.
plastiqe
Grinch
Well that could be another poll. My perception as an outsider is that Chamber was split off from Tavern and not the other way around so I would put Tavern as the portal. Least specialized to more specialized.
Just because you've been doing something one way, doesn't mean you have to keep doing it that way; it doesn't have to be messy. For example, if you look at:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=158
and scroll to the bottom of the links you can see how Civ4 - Project & Mod Development simply lists the forum sections as opposed to showing last post information on each one. Takes up less room that listing each forum individually so it could go like:
- Tavern
- Chamber
- World History
- Arts & Entertainment
- Sports Talk
- Science & Technology
- Humor & Jokes
- Computer Talk
- Other Civ-Related Sites
- Chamber
... and this way you'd start in the Tavern, Chamber would have full biling showing most recent post, and all other sections would be text links like the Civ IV P&M Dev.
