Paul Ryan against DADT reversal

[GhostWriter16]

What an enlightened post, thank you. Also, thank you for realizing I wasn't trying to equate you or modern conservatives with slavers. I was merely making a point about how the definition of conservative will continually change as people react to shifting morals and ideals and I appreciate it that you took it this way. Liberalism shifts as well, as what is liberal today is conservative tomorrow, re: 'Back to Africa'.

Yep. And all of you young liberals are probably going to be the social conservatives you used to hate in 30 years

No. They always will, and always should be a hot topic/battleground. Neither side should ever 'win' that argument: the country will implode.

"Tax and spend" shouldn't win, and "Don't tax but still spend" shouldn't win either

How about "Don't tax or spend"

Cultural conservatism is based on a system of taboos. Taboos take hundreds of years to make and have to be remade from scratch if they are shattered. Most of the more strategic thinkers in the anti-SSM movement are well aware of this if you read their literature.

The exception is if you start gunning people down in the street and have a conservative minority overrule the actual attitude on the streets, but I don't think even 99.99% of far-right Republicans are that messed up.

Nope, they'll just make sure they can see what you're talking about on your phone (Democrats too)

 

[kramerfan86]

I think the reason on social issues there is never a roll backwards is once a right is given and people see it really doesnt harm them in any way, they arent likely to support removing that right. People support DADT because its "going to hurt morale", but then when the liberalization happens and no harm is done, people see no need to roll backwards again.

 

[Leoreth]

And I would darn right be ticked off if a man wanted to flirt with me (I'm usually vocal enough about my Evangelicalism that it would be downright rude at that point).

I think it's more rude to be "vocal" about your religious beliefs. Or at least annoying and inappropriate. And then even expect others to adjust their behavior because of that.

If someone flirts with you you're not interested in, you let them know you're not interested. Why is it different when you're not interested in said person because of their sexual orientation?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Yep. And all of you young liberals are probably going to be the social conservatives you used to hate in 30 years

I will admit you are probably right on this. But first, liberals will have to win an awful lot of cultural battles for me to not identify with them.

If someone flirts with you you're not interested in, you let them know you're not interested. Why is it different when you're not interested in said person because of their sexual orientation?

The very few times I've been hit on or flirted with by gay guys, I took it as a compliment. I didn't let it go on as long without rejecting them as I would have with a woman, but it still made me feel good.

 

[kramerfan86]

Yea being rude to a homosexual who hits on you really isnt any better than being an absolute jerk to someone of the opposite sex who hits on you. I mean if a girl absolutely tore down a guy who showed interest in her most people would rightly think she is a crude, nasty person, but if she belittled another woman it would be fine?

 

[AlpsStranger]

Nope, they'll just make sure they can see what you're talking about on your phone (Democrats too)

Gah, please update your quote. I had to fix that post up a little. "Hundreds of Thousands of years." I just gaffed hardcore because I'm posting quickly while playing Guild Wars 2 on my other screen.

Now I feel like a

 

[GhostWriter16]

Fixed

 

[Leoreth]

The very few times I've been hit on or flirted with by gay guys, I took it as a compliment. I didn't let it go on as long without rejecting them as I would have with a woman, but it still made me feel good.

I had it happen to me once, and while I admit that it felt weird and I probably didn't react in the best way possible, it certainly gave me a new perspective. I mean, what else should they do to find out?

 

[LucyDuke]

And I would darn right be ticked off if a man wanted to flirt with me

I get pretty pissed off when men and boys say things like that. Do you have any idea how many advances women have to turn down? "No thanks, not interested," and the problem goes away without anyone being a jerk. If it doesn't go away, then it's reasonable to be ticked off. But at the suggestion? That's just childish.

 

[warpus]

One time a guy at a bus stop told me that he liked my shirt and I was like "hey, thanks".. I thought he was trying to hit on me - turns out I misheard and he said something completely different.

Either way, I wasn't a jerk to him, cause.. so what if he was gay? I'd just tell him that I wasn't interested and move on.

I'm an adult, after all. Also, extremely comfortable with my sexuality (thanks Oz)

edit: xposted with Lucy, who by the way has turned me down many times. Wasn't mean or immature about it either! Lucy = pure class

 

[JollyRoger]

And I would darn right be ticked off if a man wanted to flirt with me (I'm usually vocal enough about my Evangelicalism that it would be downright rude at that point).

Vocalizing evangelicalism can be seen as a signal that you may be open to experimentation as many a vocal evangelical has been known to engage in homosexual conduct. If you want to stay off the gaydar, pipe down about refraining from sexual contact with women because you are committed to a man.

 

[Oruc]

Nope!

 

[LucyDuke]

A lot, and we manage just fine, so why can't you crybabies man up and decline politely like civilized adults?

 

[Oruc]

A lot, and we manage just fine, so why can't you crybabies man up and decline politely like civilized adults?

I doubt you are hit on alot, even if true it's anecdotal evidence. Well they are maning up they are being aggressive (I doubt they are crying either). Everyone reacts in different ways, has different personalities wouldn't it be boring if we were all the same?

 

[LucyDuke]

You yourself just said it's normal for women to get hit on.

Sorry, maybe I should've said grow up.

 

[dirtyparrot]

This fear is really irrational. Chances are that if you've gotten changed in a locker room, there have been gay people changing there as well. I have yet to see or hear of someone that I know who has been oogled while changing.

 

[GhostWriter16]

This fear is really irrational. Chances are that if you've gotten changed in a locker room, there have been gay people changing there as well. I have yet to see or hear of someone that I know who has been oogled while changing.

Honestly, I would only care if I knew they were gay. If I don't know, I don't care.

And yeah, its irrational. I can't really control it though. I'm probably not alone either.

 

[LucyDuke]

Yes, there are a lot of people with self-control issues that need to grow up. Doesn't make it any less pathetic.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Well, I think I said I don't actually agree with DADT so... moving along.

As I have no future in the military anyway, I honestly wouldn't care anyway.

 

[LucyDuke]

I've been addressing the whole "men that can't handle being hit on by men" thing. You and everyone else with that problem should work on it.