PH12: Men in Tights
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pawelo
Emperor
Oracling ain't self-teching, am I right ?
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
we can take any tech from the oracle, but remember the 1st/2nd Classical Tech rule for ABCs, so keep that in mind. If we get a classical tech, we'll need ot reserach ABCs and then run only esp's ~
good turns, role, and don't worry too much about the lateness. RL is unexpected for all of us
i agree that we should expand as much as possible to as many cities as we can for now. If we can find a friend, we may not *have* to war. also, does the wood III 50% Jungle and Forest attack mean that if we attack FROM a forest into any tile it's a 50% bonus, or just attacking INTO a forest/jungle?? that would be real nice, esp for Str 6 vultures!
i'm game for the oracle, but what other techs do we need right now?? I'm stumped ~
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Refar
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good turns, role, and don't worry too much about the lateness. RL is unexpected for all of us
i agree that we should expand as much as possible to as many cities as we can for now. If we can find a friend, we may not *have* to war. also, does the wood III 50% Jungle and Forest attack mean that if we attack FROM a forest into any tile it's a 50% bonus, or just attacking INTO a forest/jungle?? that would be real nice, esp for Str 6 vultures!
i'm game for the oracle, but what other techs do we need right now?? I'm stumped ~
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Refar
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Refar
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Into.
Once we have worker techs (not sure if something is missing there) we basicly can go Writing->[Monotheism*]->Math->[IW*]->ABC
*Monotheism would allow us, to grab the really expensive Theology from Oracle founding a religion...
*I think we dont have lots of jungle...so might as well wait to steal IW...
CoL is nice to have because of Religion, but not a must, as we can have Ziggurats without...
pawelo
Emperor
Ain't it starting to feel boxed ?
As for me, it is.
Well, you'll judge by yourself.
The main purpose for this turnset was to rex us a decent living space.
With this in mind, I whipped the settler in Uruk as soon as it became an option.
Unfortunately, JC beaten us to a prime spot on the northern coast, so I went to another prime spot - the fish & jumbo & wheat one :
Notice the barb village appeared to the south - I disparched two Eridu vultures for it on my last turn :
What else ? Well, we have barracks all around. Oracle is due in 5 or 6 turns and there is a settler half finished in Uruk. Problem is we don't have money to rex any longer.
I started Ziggurat in Eridu and it should be whipped asap.
Overview as of the turn 100:
I decided to stop and see what to do.
Suggest finishing Writing as soon as possible, then bulbing CoL for the religion. Mono will cost us 30 turns of research - even in Epic it's way too much.
Maybe we should vulturannex Boobyca or JC lands ? Is it viable ?
I'd suggest the Mids in Uruk - they will go pretty fast and we have nothing better to build regardless. With Ziggu spies, it should deal with our immediate research problems.
As for me, it is.
Well, you'll judge by yourself.
The main purpose for this turnset was to rex us a decent living space.
With this in mind, I whipped the settler in Uruk as soon as it became an option.
Unfortunately, JC beaten us to a prime spot on the northern coast, so I went to another prime spot - the fish & jumbo & wheat one :
Notice the barb village appeared to the south - I disparched two Eridu vultures for it on my last turn :
What else ? Well, we have barracks all around. Oracle is due in 5 or 6 turns and there is a settler half finished in Uruk. Problem is we don't have money to rex any longer.
I started Ziggurat in Eridu and it should be whipped asap.
Overview as of the turn 100:
I decided to stop and see what to do.
Suggest finishing Writing as soon as possible, then bulbing CoL for the religion. Mono will cost us 30 turns of research - even in Epic it's way too much.
Maybe we should vulturannex Boobyca or JC lands ? Is it viable ?
I'd suggest the Mids in Uruk - they will go pretty fast and we have nothing better to build regardless. With Ziggu spies, it should deal with our immediate research problems.
Pyramids in Uruk sound good, but I thought we agreed to build Oracle in Kinth (or whatever the name is, too small text in my laptop ). Mostly for culture boost. We could have started Pyramids right away. Hopefully there's still enough time or we'll be screved
You also mentioned running out of money if expanding more. Remember that science slider isn't that big of a deal at this point. Our research and EP's will come from Representation boosted spy specialists. More cities = more spy specialists.
More comments when I'm able to check the save.
). Mostly for culture boost. We could have started Pyramids right away. Hopefully there's still enough time or we'll be screved You also mentioned running out of money if expanding more. Remember that science slider isn't that big of a deal at this point. Our research and EP's will come from Representation boosted spy specialists. More cities = more spy specialists.
More comments when I'm able to check the save.
pawelo
Emperor
Oops, I hope I haven't $crewed too much 
Only three turns went on the Oracle in the Capital - I agree on starting it asap and chopping in Kish for cow-culture war.
We should have enough time for it, it's only 1500BC and we have marble.
Only three turns went on the Oracle in the Capital - I agree on starting it asap and chopping in Kish for cow-culture war.
We should have enough time for it, it's only 1500BC and we have marble.
Oops, I hope I haven't $crewed too much
Only three turns went on the Oracle in the Capital - I agree on starting it asap and chopping in Kish for cow-culture war.
We should have enough time for it, it's only 1500BC and we have marble.
I'm not worried about Oracle, just Pyramids
Stonehenge and GW are already built. But maybe we really should change Oracle to Kish and start Pyramids in capital right away. And settle last city spots available before war.
pawelo
Emperor
With our very very nice prod in Uruk (two mines, marble spot and deer to support it) we can make it pretty fast.
I am almost positive we can make it pre-500BC, even without chopping (alert - non verified).
I am almost positive we can make it pre-500BC, even without chopping (alert - non verified).
Ralph_Jackson
Emperor
Well time to dust off the Doublet and Hose and prance gayly off into the woods. (Thats my code for a got it)
Now where to find some good Robin Hood Jokes....
On a serious note (well slightly serious) will post my thoughts tonight for
detection beofre playing / reporting Thursday..
"He robs from the poor to give to the rich,
what a b*tch, what a b*tch"
Ralph
Now where to find some good Robin Hood Jokes....
On a serious note (well slightly serious) will post my thoughts tonight for
detection beofre playing / reporting Thursday.."He robs from the poor to give to the rich,
what a b*tch, what a b*tch"
Ralph
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
Do you know what they call a small bathroom in Robin Hood's home?
The Little John.
good turns pawelo, but agree on the need for the 'rids and oracle in Kish. W/o oracle, we're plum out of science options. anyway, we should also get ziggarat's up ASAP as we're going to need to shut off research soon.
finally, i say we keep expanding until we're out of room right now. I think the land will dry up faster than our economy ~
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Refar
Meiz
r_rolo
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The Little John.
good turns pawelo, but agree on the need for the 'rids and oracle in Kish. W/o oracle, we're plum out of science options. anyway, we should also get ziggarat's up ASAP as we're going to need to shut off research soon.
finally, i say we keep expanding until we're out of room right now. I think the land will dry up faster than our economy ~
roster
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Refar
Meiz
r_rolo
pawelo >> just played
Ralph_Jackson >> UP NOW
Ralph_Jackson
Emperor
Well outline plan.
Expansion - We will run out of room before our economy tanks so we will go for another expansionist city (we can save the backfill city already marked for later and this seems to be best spot for me.)
Builds
Switch Kish to Oracle we may lose it as we need to wait for Writing if we are going to bulb COL so its a good 20 turns away
Uruk to Pyramids, wont rush to chop it as we have sufficient natural hammers to delay chopping until it seems at risk.
I will whip in the Ziggurat in Eridu and then it can spawn our Banana Settler.
And of course most important of all we need to get some Robin Hood themed city names down if nobody objects.
Cheers
Ralph of Loxley
Expansion - We will run out of room before our economy tanks so we will go for another expansionist city (we can save the backfill city already marked for later and this seems to be best spot for me.)
Builds
Switch Kish to Oracle we may lose it as we need to wait for Writing if we are going to bulb COL so its a good 20 turns away
Uruk to Pyramids, wont rush to chop it as we have sufficient natural hammers to delay chopping until it seems at risk.
I will whip in the Ziggurat in Eridu and then it can spawn our Banana Settler.
And of course most important of all we need to get some Robin Hood themed city names down if nobody objects.
Cheers
Ralph of Loxley
Refar
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Are we around Turn ~100 now ? I am pretty sure waiting 20 turns for writing is to long for Oracle... So unless we can cut down writing to maybe 10 turns... Perhaps rather bulb a lesser tech than loose it ? CoL is nice to have but not that crucial, as we have Ziggurats anyway.
pawelo
Emperor
@Refar
We are playing Epic. Still, I agree on 20 turns being pretty much.
@Ralph
I want Uruk renamed to Sherwood
Agreed with your plans, I wouldn't do it better
We are playing Epic. Still, I agree on 20 turns being pretty much.
@Ralph
I want Uruk renamed to Sherwood
Agreed with your plans, I wouldn't do it better
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
also agreed w/your plans RJ, but agree w/Refar ~ we ARE cutting it close ~ unless you're able to speed up science, but i'm not sure, variant-wise, we can right now.
I think we just chop the wonder, and take what we can get once it's ready. I'd rather not lose it. also, i think it would be good if we could get ziggarat's in our cities ASAP so that once we have to turn off the science slider, we can employ spies almost right away.
We'll need to be able to get to democracy and communism as soon as we can for the extra spies. it's going to be interesting to see how good we do w/ep's w/no commerce/cottages. of course, and THEN there's the wonder building, too. We're going to be competing for all wonders, so i think we should pick our Big 3 cities, and have them try for almost all wonders. as i said, we don't have to kill any other GPs that come to our midsts, so any GPs we get, we can use to their fullest effect, as well as building TGLibrary to help with science (since we can't hire sci's ourselves).
I think we just chop the wonder, and take what we can get once it's ready. I'd rather not lose it. also, i think it would be good if we could get ziggarat's in our cities ASAP so that once we have to turn off the science slider, we can employ spies almost right away.
We'll need to be able to get to democracy and communism as soon as we can for the extra spies. it's going to be interesting to see how good we do w/ep's w/no commerce/cottages. of course, and THEN there's the wonder building, too. We're going to be competing for all wonders, so i think we should pick our Big 3 cities, and have them try for almost all wonders. as i said, we don't have to kill any other GPs that come to our midsts, so any GPs we get, we can use to their fullest effect, as well as building TGLibrary to help with science (since we can't hire sci's ourselves).
I'm not sure if this is a good idea. I think we want to get as many Great Artist's and Great Spy's as possible. We really can't research anything on our own after Alphabet so we should ignore science and concentrate on EP's and culture.
Refar
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Yep. I would skip GL as well: it will pop a more or less high number of scientists, hence making future GP's more expensive / harder to pop. As absurd as it may sound - GS are the great people we have the least use for in that game: we don't self tech, so no point bulbing, the culture corps are Artist/Merchant/Engineer)...
Ralph_Jackson
Emperor
Ok as always in the very first turn I discover my plan is fatally flawed !! I am about to move to our Vulture into our designated next city spot and yes what is wrong with this picture??
Ummm 100% Byzantine culture and mouseing over the borders shows that the Byzantine Stealth City is planted exactly where we were going to plant ours
So if we are going to do any Rexxing it needs to be now so we immediately start a Settler instead of the Ziggurat as our Capital has been switched to the Pyramids and Kish (now Loxley) is designated for the Oracle
Our workers have prioritised the Monument in our E coastal city (now Gisborne as the border pop will unlock the Ivory happy which we desperately need.
On a good note in 1400 Hinduism arrives in Nottingham, I dont convert but if we do snag COL it will mean we have two religions which will help with Culture.
We 2 pop whip out the settler and Forest Camp is established which will face a culture war but we need to try and expand. We are now surrounded by Culture and our explorers wont be returning home until we get writing and OB
Now I do Umm and Ahhh a lot about just taking Monarchy from the Oracle straight away as that will help our Happiness starved Empire but decide when you are playing in a Pholkhero Patented Snowball in Hell SG we probably need to gamble and decide to risk shooting for the religion from Oracle..
From here on in it is an awful lot of pressing enter and hoping nobody builds the Oracle before us..
But the RNG is on our sides so I stop here.
Unfortunately it doesnt found in forest camp so the culture war will be tricky
EOT report
Pyramids seem safe.
We have spies assigned in Loxley, Gisborne and Nottingham
The Border pop has now opened the Elephants so a camp is top priority once we have roaded in the connection.
In our attempt to snag some wonders Loxley is half way through the Temple of Artemis.
Nottingham is building a temple to remove the unhappiness.
Have dialled up EP vs Charlemagne as per our variant.
We remain desperately short of workers, I should have probably built at least another
Ummm 100% Byzantine culture and mouseing over the borders shows that the Byzantine Stealth City is planted exactly where we were going to plant ours
So if we are going to do any Rexxing it needs to be now so we immediately start a Settler instead of the Ziggurat as our Capital has been switched to the Pyramids and Kish (now Loxley) is designated for the Oracle
Our workers have prioritised the Monument in our E coastal city (now Gisborne as the border pop will unlock the Ivory happy which we desperately need.
On a good note in 1400 Hinduism arrives in Nottingham, I dont convert but if we do snag COL it will mean we have two religions which will help with Culture.
We 2 pop whip out the settler and Forest Camp is established which will face a culture war but we need to try and expand. We are now surrounded by Culture and our explorers wont be returning home until we get writing and OB
Now I do Umm and Ahhh a lot about just taking Monarchy from the Oracle straight away as that will help our Happiness starved Empire but decide when you are playing in a Pholkhero Patented Snowball in Hell SG we probably need to gamble and decide to risk shooting for the religion from Oracle..
From here on in it is an awful lot of pressing enter and hoping nobody builds the Oracle before us..
But the RNG is on our sides so I stop here.
Unfortunately it doesnt found in forest camp so the culture war will be tricky
EOT report
Pyramids seem safe.
We have spies assigned in Loxley, Gisborne and Nottingham
The Border pop has now opened the Elephants so a camp is top priority once we have roaded in the connection.
In our attempt to snag some wonders Loxley is half way through the Temple of Artemis.
Nottingham is building a temple to remove the unhappiness.
Have dialled up EP vs Charlemagne as per our variant.
We remain desperately short of workers, I should have probably built at least another
pholkhero
Deviant Mind
good turns, and I'll have to double-check the save, but i *think* that's our first classical age tech, no? so we'll need to be careful for the next one. should we backfill or go w/ABCs and trade??
that's too bad about the city; forest camp will be good for the 3 temples only, i think, but that's okay. we can grab that last city on the coast and get to work with our spying
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pawelo
Ralph_Jackson >> just played
i've got it, but probably won't play until tomorrow as I'll wait for some input before proceeding.
that's too bad about the city; forest camp will be good for the 3 temples only, i think, but that's okay. we can grab that last city on the coast and get to work with our spying
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pholkhero >> UP NOW
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r_rolo
pawelo
Ralph_Jackson >> just played
i've got it, but probably won't play until tomorrow as I'll wait for some input before proceeding.
Nice work So there's one city spot left and then we need to start building attack force. Probably against Boudica as Byzantine is too low on score. We should sign open borders now that we have Writing.
Btw. Let's keep some money in stash in case of random events.
So there's one city spot left and then we need to start building attack force. Probably against Boudica as Byzantine is too low on score. We should sign open borders now that we have Writing.Btw. Let's keep some money in stash in case of random events.
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